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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2017, 06:00:11 PM »
That's what I'm afraid of  >:( .

All CPO sets I have are simple repackagings. Don't they know the value of space economy ?  ::)

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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #121 on: September 25, 2017, 06:07:28 PM »
That's what I'm afraid of  >:( .

All CPO sets I have are simple repackagings. Don't they know the value of space economy ?  ::)

Yeah, IMHO, it’s a rather sloppy approach, but, thankfully, so many of their recordings are outstanding that it more than makes up for the shoddy packaging. :)
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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #122 on: September 25, 2017, 06:13:25 PM »


8 discs, 28 symphonies (all of them ?). Anyone considers this is worth listening as a whole ? Second question: is it a slim box or a repackaging of 8 individual discs ?
While I've enjoyed the set, it does take up a lot of room as it is simply 8 discs put together.
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« Reply #123 on: September 25, 2017, 07:58:57 PM »
While I've enjoyed the set, it does take up a lot of room as it is simply 8 discs put together.

Otoh, if one likes Boccherini's music, this set is essential.
Chaque fleur s'évapore ainsi qu'un encensoir;
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Valse mélancolique et langoureux vertige!
Le ciel est triste et beau comme un grand reposoir.

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« Reply #124 on: September 25, 2017, 10:21:31 PM »
They know the value of not having to design and put together new packaging. It is a tiny label compared to the majors and their output is quite amazing (of course a lot of it made possible by co-operation with German/European radio broadcasters). The documentation and annotation also ranks from pretty good to outstanding, so they would lose the booklets or have to reformat and design them as well. I can well imagine that they want to save such expenses.
I don't know the box in question but I also have never seen slim boxes from them. I have several of their Boccherini chamber recordings and these ones are generally very good.
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« Reply #125 on: September 26, 2017, 02:37:05 AM »
I think CPO have done a few slimmer boxes. The most recent version of the Spohr Violin Concerto box is a smaller box. The Loewe Lieder box is thinner too, but I don't remember if they released those separately or not. At 20 discs, maybe it was just too big.
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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2017, 06:19:34 AM »
So many things to discover, such low prices on line, and yet time and space have become essential considerations (wasn't the case 10 years ago). I already have 51 discs of Boccherini but I crave for more. The 37 disc Brilliant set is on my radar. I have half of it already, but the ridiculous price makes the whole thing more advantageous than filling the gaps. The CPO set of the symphonies is very tempting also. I have 4 discs of them symphonies in other versions, but the Goritzki approach seems markedly different, therefore justifying the investment.

Of course I'd sell duplicates to make room for the new stuff, but it would still mean I'd have to expand and reshuffle to make room. My shelves are bursting and discs almost fall off them. This is getting crazy.

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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #127 on: September 26, 2017, 06:23:39 AM »
The CPO set of the symphonies is very tempting also. I have 4 discs of them symphonies in other versions, but the Goritzki approach seems markedly different, therefore justifying the investment.

Beside the fabulous performance, a big plus on the Goritzki's side are the liner notes: some of the most complete and informative ever.
Chaque fleur s'évapore ainsi qu'un encensoir;
Le violon frémit comme un cœur qu'on afflige;
Valse mélancolique et langoureux vertige!
Le ciel est triste et beau comme un grand reposoir.

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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #128 on: September 26, 2017, 06:47:05 AM »
One can always repackage stuff oneself, although it does not work so well with extensive booklets/notes. I have put several 100 discs from "fat" double to slim double cases and even transferred them to paper sleeves in the case of some older Brilliant boxes that had jewelcases but no real booklets, only one sheet of paper with minimal track info.

I have about 25 discs with Boccherini (probably a few more pieces on mixed discs), about 15 symphonies among them and this is sufficient for now.
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #129 on: September 26, 2017, 08:18:22 AM »
So many things to discover, such low prices on line, and yet time and space have become essential considerations (wasn't the case 10 years ago). I already have 51 discs of Boccherini but I crave for more. The 37 disc Brilliant set is on my radar. I have half of it already, but the ridiculous price makes the whole thing more advantageous than filling the gaps. The CPO set of the symphonies is very tempting also. I have 4 discs of them symphonies in other versions, but the Goritzki approach seems markedly different, therefore justifying the investment.

Of course I'd sell duplicates to make room for the new stuff, but it would still mean I'd have to expand and reshuffle to make room. My shelves are bursting and discs almost fall off them. This is getting crazy.

Hi André - I've also 'eyed' that Goritzki CPO box - owned many of their boxes and all are 'bulky' single jewel box compilations that take up a LOT of my shelf and cabinet space; plus, I already have most of Luigi's Symphonies - see quote below, i.e. 25 total (w/ a couple of dupes) - out of curiosity, I looked at Boccherini's Symphonies list HERE - made a combo pic below (red asterisks are the ones I own) - appears he composed about 30 w/ 'Symphony....' as the starting description, so I'm pretty set @ two dozen, BUT will look on Amazon today is see what may be new?  Dave :)

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  Symphonies (Total = 25 + 2 Duplications)
G. 493 - 498 (Op. 21) - Goritzki (6)
G. 503 -  508 - Leppard-New PO (6)
G. 509  - 514 - Pople/London FO (6)
G. 511 & 517-Savall/Le C.Nations (2)
G. 515, 517, 518 - Erxleben/NewBlin (3)
G. 519 - 522 - Erxleben/NewBlin (4)


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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #130 on: September 26, 2017, 10:58:57 AM »
Thanks fo the info, Dave! The discs I have are on your list: the Leppard op 12 and Erxleber Capriccio performances. And I can't say I'm satisfied with either. Sound clips of various movements from the Goritzki set reveal the kind of transparent sound and singing approach to phrasing I have in mind for Boccherini. 

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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #131 on: September 26, 2017, 12:58:08 PM »
Beside the fabulous performance, a big plus on the Goritzki's side are the liner notes: some of the most complete and informative ever.

Thanks fo the info, Dave! The discs I have are on your list: the Leppard op 12 and Erxleber Capriccio performances. And I can't say I'm satisfied with either. Sound clips of various movements from the Goritzki set reveal the kind of transparent sound and singing approach to phrasing I have in mind for Boccherini.

Well, after posting, I listened to my one Goritzki recording (an MP3 purchase) and enjoyed; then to both discs of Leppard (performances from 1972) and not as pleased - AND, I just dumped a soundbar above my HDTV and have some storage available! BUT that CPO box is $54 on Amazon USA - for those who have been researching, any 'cheaper' offers around?  I could cull out most of my previously listed CDs w/ this replacement box?  Not in in hurry, though.  ;)  Dave

ADDENDUM: OK, after checking a few of my 'across the pond' sites, JPC has the box for $35 (pic below) - but there is that fixed shipping price, SO I'll need to add some items - let me browse the site. :)

P.S. - my JPC cart is now showing 25 Euros, so down to $30 USD - boy that's nearly half price from Amazon USA - definitely need to add a few more items and make an order - :)

P.S.S. - made the order for $30 USD - added a few other items to even out the shipping - :)

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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #132 on: September 26, 2017, 03:03:34 PM »
Orders from outside the E.U. are not subject to VAT or some other tax, which make it a nice deal - for US customers anyway (exchange is more or less at par and shipping is affordable). For your North of the border neighbour though the exchange is 55% AND shipping (in euros of course) is much more expensive. They jacked up the shipping charges to over double what they were last I checked (last week). We're talking more like 57$ here  :(

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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #133 on: September 26, 2017, 03:28:11 PM »
Orders from outside the E.U. are not subject to VAT or some other tax, which make it a nice deal - for US customers anyway (exchange is more or less at par and shipping is affordable). For your North of the border neighbour though the exchange is 55% AND shipping (in euros of course) is much more expensive. They jacked up the shipping charges to over double what they were last I checked (last week). We're talking more like 57$ here  :(

Sorry André - did not know that there was that much difference - Dave

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Re: Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805)!
« Reply #134 on: January 05, 2018, 05:06:47 AM »
Les deux Journées/ Le porteur d'eau



After Médée, this is the most successful opera Cherubini composed.  It was created in 1800 (Napoleon era) and recounts an episode of the French revolution.  To avoid censorship, the action was transposed under Mazarin cardinal regence.

The musical writing is very classical -very Mozartian in many ways- more so than in his earlier operas Médée, Lodoiska, Kourkougi.  For this reason, I much prefer Médée and Lodoiska, far more dramatic and musically more inventive.

A woman voice glides like the wind
Of black, of damp, of night
And all it touches in this flight
Suddenly is over.

Anna Akhomatova