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Offline Octave

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Re: Davidsbündlertänze
« Reply #60 on: April 04, 2013, 07:02:27 AM »
Aha!  I believe I found a cheapo reissue of the Anda/Aura, with a bunch of other non-Anda stuff; another dodge-a-licious Documents/Membran/Aura [do the former own the latter?] box.  Let me quote from this thread:

I don't know the one on Brilliant, But I know Anda on DG and the live one on Aura, from a concert with Chopin op 25 and a Schubert sonata. The live is one of the greats, -- the difference between it and the dead one is all to do with the intangible things that Bulldog keeps banging on about -- the sense of one dance responding to another, the sense of each dance finding its own distinctive face and emotional meaning, the sweep.



It's been released on Ermitage, too, which seems to be the place where all these Italian radio recordings wind up.

This looks like it might be the one; the back cover at Amazon is totally illegible on the computer I am using.  For the moment I rely entirely on a couple Amazon customer reviews; I'll reproduce all the contents from one of those reviews, below.  Is it the same date/recording as the one mentioned by Mandryka et al?  Does anyone know any of the rest of these performances, and are they worth having as well?  Now I wonder if Membran has a different box, devoted to Anda, with this performance and other items of interest....


GREAT PIANISTS (Documents/Membran/Aura, 10cd, 2007)

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CD1: Friedrich Gulda - Lugano, 19.1.1968
Haydn - Andante con variazioni
Mozart - Piano Sonata No. 8
Schubert - Impromptus Op. 90
Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 21

CD2: Wilhelm Backhaus - Lugano, 18.5.1960, 11.6.1953
Haydn - Piano Sonata Hob XVI-52, Andante con variazioni, Fantasia
Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 17
Chopin - Studies Op. 25 (excerpts), Nocturne Op. 27/2, Waltz Op. 18

CD3: Rudolf Serkin - Lugano, 22.5.1957
Schubert - Impromptu Op. 142/4
Bach - Capriccio
Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 23
Brahms - Variations on Theme of Handel
Mendelssohn - Rondo capriccioso

CD4: Shura Cherkassky - Lugano, 5.12.1963
Mendelssohn - Rondo capriccioso
Schumann - Piano Sonata No. 1
Berg - Piano Sonata No. 1
Debussy - L'Isle joyeuse
Stravinsky - Trois mouvements de Petrouchka
Poulenc - Toccata

CD5: Lazar Berman - Lugano, 28.11.1989
Scriabin - Fantasia in B minor
Liszt - 5 Schubert Transcriptions, Funerailles
Rachmaninov - Six Moments Musicaux

CD6: Emil Gilels - Lugano, 25.09.1984
Scarlatti - Sonatas
Debussy - Pour le piano
Schumann - Etudes Symphoniques

CD7: Geza Anda - Ascona, 16.09.1965
Chopin - 12 Etudes Op.25
Schumann - Die Davidsbundlertanze
Schubert - Piano Sonata No. 13

CD8: Witold Malcuzynski - Locarno, 13.03.1963
Brahms - Intermezzo Op. 118/6, Rhapsody Op. 79/2
Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 23
Chopin - Nocturne No. 13, Ballade No. 3, Mazurkas Nos. 15, 17, 45, Scherzo No. 3, Valze Op. 70/1, Etude Op. 10/12

CD9: Georges Cziffra - Ascone, 27.09.1963
Chopin - Fantasie Op. 49, Scherzo No. 2, Piano Sonata No. 2
Liszt - Rhapsodie espagnole, Liebestraum No. 2, Polonaise No. 2, Grand Galop Chromatique, Hungarian Rhapsody No. 6

CD10: Bruno Canino - Lugano, 17.01.1993
Bach - Goldberg Variations
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Re: Davidsbündlertänze
« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2013, 01:42:56 AM »
I'm quite sure that's the same recording, Octave; Membran (which has as many names as the Hydra had heads) has obviously incorporated Aura/Ermitage, as it has other catalogues. I have a couple of the discs listed by you on either Aura or Ermitage, which were originally, if I am not mistaken, produced from mainly Swiss-Italian radio tapes for cheap music magazines offered on a regular basis at Italian kiosks. I remember buying a mag about Stravinsky in Florence years and years ago and getting some delightful performances of works like the Octet conducted by Stravinsky himself at Lugano. In a way I could curse you ;D for bringing this up, because getting this would mean some duplications and creating more problems of space, both in the external world and in my head.
The Violin's Obstinacy

It needs to return to this one note,
not a tune and not a key
but the sound of self it must depart from,
a journey lengthily to go
in a vein it knows will cripple it.
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Offline Mandryka

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Re: Davidsbundlertanze
« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2018, 11:55:24 AM »
Christian Zacharias's comments on DBT

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To all those who attentively follow along in the score I would like to say: Not only do I play all the repetitions, but I also play a few more too —which is quite uncommon in this day and age, when even required repeats are generally omitted. In my defense, I might add that even Schumann sometimes didn't seem to know exactly what and how often he wanted something repeated. You can see this very clearly in the two editions of the DavidsbOndlertanze which he supervised. It is striking that he tends to call for more repetitions in the later edition. Also, I would say that the pieces, which take on a new formal guise through the additional repeats, seem to agree better with my feeling for proportions. Besides — let us leave it up to the conductors of this imaginary ball to repeat whatever sections, fanfares and dances they want. The guests are grateful; it makes them dance that much longer into the tipsy morning. The clock strikes six, the last guests leave, some of the waltz rhythms —though robbed now of their pulse — still scurrying in their heads. Their distant echo is a harp-like dominant seventh chord in which the notes are no longer struck, but audibly released until only the soft "A" is heard. And then it's over.

And what is there to say about the main piece on this CD, Opus 6? Perhaps simply that we are witnessing Robert Schumann the patient lying on the couch of Robert Schumann the psychiatrist. What the patient tells his analyst is recorded not in a medical report, but in the Davidsbandlertanze. Anonymously, or, more precisely, pseudonymously, since the patient has two souls in one breast: Florestan and Eusebius. But listen to them yourself... CHRISTIAN ZACHARIAS, 1978 Translation: Roger Clement
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