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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2011, 07:55:39 PM »
Thanks!
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2011, 11:08:21 AM »


Giving these a spin thanks to George reminding me of them yesterday.  Very nice....Serkin as nimble and light as always is perfect to the contrast of Casal's deep strength on the strings.  However, mine are on vinyl.


There have these cd issues:


1994


2008

I also have a handful of the Serkin/Casals here on this set (the same recordings):



This set has
Op. 5 No. 1
Op. 102 No. 1
Op 102 No. 2

Vol II, which is a priority for me to get, does not cover any of the Serkin/Casals Cello Sonatas.

So my question is, how is the sound on the Sony complete releases?






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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2011, 11:24:52 AM »
 

Back to the Prades for a minute and what they cover with Serkin:

Vol 1

Trio for Piano and Strings no 3 in G minor, Op. 110 by Robert Schumann
Performer:  Sandor Végh (Violin), Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello)
Date of Recording: 07/11/1956


Trio for Piano and Strings no 5 in D major, Op. 70 no 1 "Ghost" by Ludwig van Beethoven
Performer:  Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello), Szymon Goldberg (Violin)
Date of Recording: 06/18/1954


Trio for Piano and Strings no 6 in E flat major, Op. 70 no 2 by Ludwig van Beethoven
Performer:  Szymon Goldberg (Violin), Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello)
Date of Recording: 06/18/1954


Sonata for Cello and Piano no 5 in D major, Op. 102 no 2 by Ludwig van Beethoven
Performer:  Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello)
Date of Recording: 06/20/1954


Trio for Piano and Strings no 11 in G major, Op. 121a "Kakadu Variations" by Ludwig van Beethoven
Performer:  Szymon Goldberg (Violin), Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello)
Date of Recording: 06/18/1954
 
   
Sonata for Cello and Piano no 1 in F major, Op. 5 no 1 by Ludwig van Beethoven
Performer:  Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello)
Date of Recording: 06/20/1954


Sonata for Cello and Piano no 4 in C major, Op. 102 no 1 by Ludwig van Beethoven
Performer:  Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello)
Date of Recording: 06/16/1953


Quintet for Piano and Strings in E flat major, Op. 44 by Robert Schumann
Performer:  Rudolf Serkin (Piano)
Orchestra/Ensemble:  Végh String Quartet
Date of Recording: 06/12/1956

Vol. 2  (Which I still need)

Italian Concerto, BWV 971 by Johann Sebastian Bach
Performer:  Rudolf Serkin (Piano)
Date of Recording: 07/11/1956

 
Sonata for Piano no 30 in E major, Op. 109 by Ludwig van Beethoven
Performer:  Rudolf Serkin (Piano)
Date of Recording: 06/20/1954


Symphonic Etudes for Piano, Op. 13 by Robert Schumann
Performer:  Rudolf Serkin (Piano)
Date of Recording: 07/12/1956
 

 
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2011, 12:06:38 PM »
This just started:

Trio for Piano and Strings no 3 in G minor, Op. 110 by Robert Schumann
Performer:  Sandor Végh (Violin), Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello)
Date of Recording: 07/11/1956

Deep and fairly dark to start....Serkin's piano is very warm and fairly heavy in the openining.  I would have not recognized it.  Still a pleasure.
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2011, 12:10:16 PM »
This just started:

Trio for Piano and Strings no 3 in G minor, Op. 110 by Robert Schumann
Performer:  Sandor Végh (Violin), Rudolf Serkin (Piano), Pablo Casals (Cello)
Date of Recording: 07/11/1956

Deep and fairly dark to start....Serkin's piano is very warm and fairly heavy in the openining.  I would have not recognized it.  Still a pleasure.

Sounds nice, Bill!

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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2011, 12:11:59 PM »
Sounds nice, Bill!

Indeed it is.  I have ignored this set for far too long.  I will have to see how his piano is on the other recordings.
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2011, 07:14:52 AM »


Got the day off from work due to the snow, so I am spinning this new purchase. These are all relatively early Serkin recordings, which seem to be his best work, so I am excited to hear them.
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2011, 10:46:35 AM »


Got the day off from work due to the snow, so I am spinning this new purchase. These are all relatively early Serkin recordings, which seem to be his best work, so I am excited to hear them.

Sounds like an interesting set. Do give us your impressions please  :o

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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2011, 10:51:42 AM »
Sounds like an interesting set. Do give us your impressions please  :o

Hi Verena,

So far so good. The Mozart is excellent. FWIW, I have yet to hear an early Serkin recording that didn't better a later one. 
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2011, 07:54:11 PM »
Hi Verena,

So far so good. The Mozart is excellent. FWIW, I have yet to hear an early Serkin recording that didn't better a later one.

What Sony single cds does this cover, or do they, George?
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2011, 08:02:15 PM »
What Sony single cds does this cover, or do they, George?

Hey Bill!

Serkin's discography is here - http://fischer.hosting.paran.com/music/music.htm

It shows that this is the first and only CD release of these performances.
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2011, 03:24:43 AM »
Hi Verena,

So far so good. The Mozart is excellent. FWIW, I have yet to hear an early Serkin recording that didn't better a later one.

Thanks very much, George! I must say that I also admire the later Serkin, though I never made any direct comparisons. For example, I rather like the Beethoven Concertos on Orfeo with Kubelik, but maybe the earlier recordings are better.

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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2011, 04:17:02 AM »
Thanks very much, George! I must say that I also admire the later Serkin, though I never made any direct comparisons. For example, I rather like the Beethoven Concertos on Orfeo with Kubelik, but maybe the earlier recordings are better.

I like those too. I have really only compared early and late recordings of Beethoven sonatas, so I shouldn't have generalized. 
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2011, 06:19:10 AM »
Just won this auction last night.  The Beethoven album I had, but it is in rough shape so the upgrade is welcomed.  The 6 Eyed Monos usually have good sound, so I thought it worth the 10 bones with shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=150552496023&si=XMlU6rrxS9b6RYuhnnaTtlmCVfM%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_759wt_1140
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2011, 06:22:37 AM »
Just won this auction last night.  The Beethoven album I had, but it is in rough shape so the upgrade is welcomed.  The 6 Eyed Monos usually have good sound, so I thought it worth the 10 bones with shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=150552496023&si=XMlU6rrxS9b6RYuhnnaTtlmCVfM%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_759wt_1140

Wow! Nice score Bill!  :o
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2011, 06:28:37 AM »
Wow! Nice score Bill!  :o

I RARELY buy vinyl on Ebay....without looking at the records and testing them like I can do in the shops here, it is a real crap shoot.  And eye inspection does not always work either.  I have a Dave Brubeck lp that I got for a decent price at a vinyl show and it looked minty.  When I got home, it was unlistenable due to the micro dust(?) that I could not clean off or see.
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2011, 06:42:15 AM »
I RARELY buy vinyl on Ebay....without looking at the records and testing them like I can do in the shops here, it is a real crap shoot.  And eye inspection does not always work either.  I have a Dave Brubeck lp that I got for a decent price at a vinyl show and it looked minty.  When I got home, it was unlistenable due to the micro dust(?) that I could not clean off or see.

Yeah, I guess $10 for the three is a reasonable gamble. Good luck!

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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2012, 01:50:47 PM »
This could have easily fit in the Schumann thread, but Serkin deserves a bump from time to time. ;D  Now playing one of my all time favorite PC's:



On a 6 Eye Columbia platter, this is the 2nd time he recorded it with Ormandy and Philly.  This recording is from '56, while the other two were from '46 and '64.  The performance is first rate by both Serkin and Philly.  In mono, so for those who enjoy that era of Serkin, this is a must for your shelf.  The recording allows Serkin the front seat and does not overly blend with the orchestra, which I enjoy here.  Ormandy drives his players and the results are fantastic, especially in the first movement.  I am guessing some here may have this on this cd:



I am giving the cd a spin now and the sound of it does not begin to touch the lp.  Closed in and muffles a bit with Serkin's playing more blended with the orchestra.  Sometimes the cd trumps the lp....however, not in this case.  Not sure if another cd version is available.
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2012, 01:56:07 PM »
I am guessing some here may have this on this cd:



Yep.  8)
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Re: Rudolf Serkin
« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2012, 02:26:24 PM »


Now, No. 20 from Wolfie.  Not as well engineered as the Ormandy Schumann, but Serkin's performance sparkles. 

Interesting, this has to be the '57 recording listed here:
http://fischer.hosting.paran.com/music/music.htm

but my lp is numbered ML 5367.  Either way, it looks as if this may not be on cd?  What do you folks know?  I do know that #21 made it on the Legendary set above, and other Schneider recordings, but cannot find a cd copy of 20.
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