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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4240 on: December 31, 2017, 04:32:05 AM »
“It's Ohio, Jake.”

A year ago, I should not have twigged this.
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4241 on: December 31, 2017, 07:00:04 AM »
A year ago, I should not have twigged this.
Were you from Ohio a year ago?



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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4242 on: January 08, 2018, 06:44:20 AM »
I don’t see the phrase “in countries” as any value added to the sentence at all, at all.

[Name of company]’s products are sold in countries around the world.
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« Reply #4243 on: January 08, 2018, 07:00:48 AM »
I don’t see the phrase “in countries” as any value added to the sentence at all, at all.

[Name of company]’s products are sold in countries around the world.

Not at all in any  way at all.   

I am reminded of my trip to the South Pacific: I saw the H-Bomb site Bikini Atoll, but the best atoll was no Bikini Atoll!   :o ???

Okay, so...

Our "favorite" local T.V. station has a 20-something weatherman who said yesterday:

"This unseasonable cold will continue through Tuesday."

Well, the single-digit cold some might find "unreasonable," but precisely in which other season would we find such temperatures?  8)
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4244 on: January 08, 2018, 05:35:17 PM »
Ran into what was is a debatable style guide presented as an iron law of grammar which is to not start a sentence with an Arabic (rather than spelled out number).  Starting a sentence with ‘Three’ vs ‘3’ is good and there are very few instances where beginning a sentence with an number carried out to six significant digits is good - however I see nothing wrong with beginning a sentence with ‘37% of what people believe are die hard grammar rules are just style conventions that can be broken’
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« Reply #4245 on: January 08, 2018, 05:59:20 PM »
Ran into what was is a debatable style guide presented as an iron law of grammar which is to not start a sentence with an Arabic (rather than spelled out number).  Starting a sentence with ‘Three’ vs ‘3’ is good and there are very few instances where beginning a sentence with an number carried out to six significant digits is good - however I see nothing wrong with beginning a sentence with ‘37% of what people believe are die hard grammar rules are just style conventions that can be broken’

Interesting: what say ye, Fellow Grammar Grumblers?

Which seems better?

37% say that some grammar rules are actually biases.

Thirty-seven per cent say that some grammar rules are actually biases.

And what if our number is a decimal?   ??? :o

Ninety-three point five per cent voted against the introduction of Cheese on campus.  Those in favor hailed from Limburg.

93.5% voted against the introduction of Cheese on campus.
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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4246 on: January 08, 2018, 06:05:26 PM »
100% is my preference for 37%. But for natural numbers of modest size, “Thirteen curses upon you”, words not digits. I think the split is measurements vs items, but I doubt there is a hard and fast rule.
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« Reply #4247 on: January 08, 2018, 06:44:34 PM »
Interesting: what say ye, Fellow Grammar Grumblers?

Which seems better?

37% say that some grammar rules are actually biases.

Thirty-seven per cent say that some grammar rules are actually biases.

And what if our number is a decimal?   ??? :o

Ninety-three point five per cent voted against the introduction of Cheese on campus.  Those in favor hailed from Limburg.

93.5% voted against the introduction of Cheese on campus.

Who is Cheese and why do the swains abhor him (her)?

(Since you capitalized it in midsentence, I must assume Cheese is a person and not an edible derivative of milk.)

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« Reply #4248 on: January 08, 2018, 06:52:59 PM »
On the actual question, what I learned was that if a written out number was  inappropriate, the sentence should be rewritten so the sentence starts with something else:

The poll revealed that 37% of those asked believed some grammar rules are merely biases.
Of those asked, 37% believed, etc.

The vote was a decisive rejection of Cheese, with 93.5 percent voting to bar him from campus.  The only dissenting votes were cast by Limburgers.

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4249 on: January 08, 2018, 07:28:02 PM »
When I was in high school way back in the early seventies, we were taught not to use numerals to open a sentence.

I have forgotten most of these rules now (conventions, really) and when in doubt, go by instinct rather than check a reliable source  :-[.

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4250 on: January 12, 2018, 07:25:14 AM »
Of course, it’s only a typo, and not the writer’s native language;  but I admit that my eye recoiled . . .

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4251 on: January 12, 2018, 07:38:32 AM »
On the actual question, what I learned was that if a written out number was  inappropriate, the sentence should be rewritten so the sentence starts with something else:

The poll revealed that 37% of those asked believed some grammar rules are merely biases.
Of those asked, 37% believed, etc.

The vote was a decisive rejection of Cheese, with 93.5 percent voting to bar him from campus.  The only dissenting votes were cast by Limburgers.

Pffft. Never end a sentence with a preposition, never split an infinitive, never begin a sentence with a conjunction. Piffling rules that never applied. Brevity is a virtue.
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« Reply #4252 on: January 12, 2018, 07:55:44 AM »
Snowflake.
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« Reply #4254 on: January 12, 2018, 11:27:07 AM »
Of course, it’s only a typo, and not the writer’s native language;  but I admit that my eye recoiled . . .

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Shades of Billy Idol...

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« Reply #4255 on: January 12, 2018, 12:18:03 PM »
Of course, it’s only a typo, and not the writer’s native language;  but I admit that my eye recoiled . . .

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4256 on: January 17, 2018, 01:28:57 PM »
From the website of an alleged literary agent:


"We only take on clients in which we truly believe."
  :P ::) ???

Well, I would want to deal only with an agent who knows English!  0:)


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« Reply #4257 on: January 17, 2018, 09:39:09 PM »
From the website of an alleged literary agent:


"We only take on clients in which we truly believe."
  :P ::) ???

Well, I would want to deal only with an agent who knows English!  0:)

I am sure they wouldn't like to see you write 'I would want to deal only with an agent which knows English!'

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« Reply #4258 on: January 17, 2018, 09:43:21 PM »
Pffft. Never end a sentence with a preposition, never split an infinitive, never begin a sentence with a conjunction. Piffling rules that never applied. Brevity is a virtue.

Prepositions are not words to end sentences with! It is wrong to ever split an infinitive! And never begin a sentence with a conjunction!

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Re: Cato's Grammar Grumble
« Reply #4259 on: January 18, 2018, 07:36:25 AM »
Prepositions are not words to end sentences with! It is wrong to ever split an infinitive! And never begin a sentence with a conjunction!
Never use that many exclamation marks !!!!!!!!
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