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Eugene Goosens
« on: March 02, 2009, 03:48:40 PM »
Recently I was browsing the website Records International and discovered the newly released 1st Symphony and Piano Concerto on chandos.  Of course he's been universally recognized as a significant conductor.  I am famliar with a few piano works.  He was quite prolific in piano compositions.  However, I am unfamiliar with his first symphony as well as with his concerto.  Also available is his 4th Symphony.  I am unfamiliar with Goosen's orchestral works and was wondering if anyone in the forum is familiar with Goosen's orchestral compositions. If reviews and/or analyses are positive I may procure.

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 05:17:15 PM »
The other symphony which is available is No.2-Goossens only wrote two symphonies.

The Symphony No.1 is a fine piece and the Chandos recording with the late Richard Hickox conducting is a fine performance. However, since (sadly) there will be no Hickox recording of Symphony No.2, you might instead consider this box set-

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2005/June05/Goossens_Handley_4767632.htm

Handley's performances are exemplary and if you like Bax and others of the lush romantics you should like Goossens :) I cannot honestly say that I was particularly struck by the other works in the box set or even that Goossens would be anywhere near my own personal favourite British symphonist(I prefer something a little 'leaner') but recommended nevertheless.

This article is also helpful-

http://www.musicweb-international.com/GoossensE/index.htm

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 08:02:13 PM »
The other symphony which is available is No.2-Goossens only wrote two symphonies.

The Symphony No.1 is a fine piece and the Chandos recording with the late Richard Hickox conducting is a fine performance. However, since (sadly) there will be no Hickox recording of Symphony No.2, you might instead consider this box set-

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2005/June05/Goossens_Handley_4767632.htm

Handley's performances are exemplary and if you like Bax and others of the lush romantics you should like Goossens :) I cannot honestly say that I was particularly struck by the other works in the box set or even that Goossens would be anywhere near my own personal favourite British symphonist(I prefer something a little 'leaner') but recommended nevertheless.

This article is also helpful-

http://www.musicweb-international.com/GoossensE/index.htm

Thanks for the reply.  I shall access the 2nd Symphony through the local library.  Goosen's works may be quite interesting according to your statement.

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 11:42:02 PM »
I enjoy both symphonies and have the ABC individual CD releases with Handley and the new Chandos recording with Richard Hickox. It is a fine memorial to Hickox. The performance and recording of Symphony No 1 is excellent and I enjoyed the Piano Concerto too. Goossens is one of the best conductor/composers. There is a Baxian quality to his music which I respond to.

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 05:39:08 AM »
The other symphony which is available is No.2-Goossens only wrote two symphonies.

The Symphony No.1 is a fine piece and the Chandos recording with the late Richard Hickox conducting is a fine performance. However, since (sadly) there will be no Hickox recording of Symphony No.2, you might instead consider this box set-

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2005/June05/Goossens_Handley_4767632.htm

Handley's performances are exemplary and if you like Bax and others of the lush romantics you should like Goossens :) I cannot honestly say that I was particularly struck by the other works in the box set or even that Goossens would be anywhere near my own personal favourite British symphonist(I prefer something a little 'leaner') but recommended nevertheless.

This article is also helpful-

http://www.musicweb-international.com/GoossensE/index.htm
I'm uncertain where I got the idea of a 4th Symphony.  I shall order the 1st Symphony from ArkivMusic and wait until I hear the 2nd before or if I decide to buy the Symphony No. 2.
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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2009, 09:00:59 AM »
I'm uncertain where I got the idea of a 4th Symphony.  I shall order the 1st Symphony from ArkivMusic and wait until I hear the 2nd before or if I decide to buy the Symphony No. 2.

There's a CD of Goossens conducting Antheil's 4th Symphony. Maybe that's where you got the idea from (on Everest -good CD).
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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 09:14:36 AM »
there was a 'rite of spring' with him conducting that was around for quite awhile.
he & beecham conspired on my favorite, totally non-hip recording of 'messiah'.

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 04:45:25 PM »
Goossens was a very fine conductor. He recorded a good deal for the Everest label and some of these recordings are now being transferred to cd. I have him conducting the London Symphony Orchestra in Antheil's 4th Symphony, Ginastera's 'Estancia', the Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique, Rachmaninov's Symphonic Dances, Respighi's Pines of Rome and Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade. He also recorded Robert Still's 4th Symphony for Lyrita and that recording will also soon be released on cd. All of these recordings were characterised by both precision but also excitement and colour.

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2009, 05:30:24 AM »
I enjoy both symphonies and have the ABC individual CD releases with Handley and the new Chandos recording with Richard Hickox. It is a fine memorial to Hickox. The performance and recording of Symphony No 1 is excellent and I enjoyed the Piano Concerto too. Goossens is one of the besat conductor/composers. There is a Baxian quality to his music which I respond to.



Glad to hear it.  I've "Baxized" since the release of "Garden of Fand" back in the fifties.  Bax is, in my view, a tremedous composer; and, I am looking forward to listerning to the Goosens symphony.

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2009, 06:16:29 AM »
...and discovered the newly released 1st Symphony and Piano Concerto on chandos.

A fine issue, impeccably presented, recorded and conducted. The works themselves, though, failed to make a strong impression; rather diffuse and meandering, yet pleasing and dramatic.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2009, 06:50:25 AM »
A fine issue, impeccably presented, recorded and conducted. The works themselves, though, failed to make a strong impression; rather diffuse and meandering, yet pleasing and dramatic.

That pretty well sums up my view too.

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2009, 05:46:55 PM »
I third this view, after exploring the Second symphony and Oboe concerto.

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2009, 07:05:50 AM »
I like the Goossens symphonies and would rate them both higher.
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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2009, 08:40:28 AM »
I like the Goossens symphonies and would rate them both higher.

Me too, me too.  ;) I really find both symphonies first class, especially the First from 1940. But it took a long time before I really began to admire it. I now find it an epic symphony, full of tension and grandeur and of a rugged beauty that, for me, resembles similar aspects in e.g. Gustav Holst's Uranus from The Planets or, on the symphonic front, Walton 1 or Vaughan Williams 9.  ::)

Look forward to the new Chandos release of it. Untill now, my personal preference is David Measham's fine account of it with the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra for Unicorn-Kanchana from the early 1980s, but only available on a long deleted Unicorn Kanchana LP (a cherished treasure, for me).  :)
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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2009, 09:39:04 AM »
Me too, me too.  ;) I really find both symphonies first class, especially the First from 1940. But it took a long time before I really began to admire it. I now find it an epic symphony, full of tension and grandeur and of a rugged beauty that, for me, resembles similar aspects in e.g. Gustav Holst's Uranus from The Planets or, on the symphonic front, Walton 1 or Vaughan Williams 9.  ::)

Look forward to the new Chandos release of it. Untill now, my personal preference is David Measham's fine account of it with the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra for Unicorn-Kanchana from the early 1980s, but only available on a long deleted Unicorn Kanchana LP (a cherished treasure, for me).  :)

I very much agree and wish that the Measham, on that fine old Unicorn LP, was transferred to CD.

Walton Symphony No 1 - now, that IS a very fine score  ;D
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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2009, 04:25:13 PM »
I very much agree and wish that the Measham, on that fine old Unicorn LP, was transferred to CD.

Walton Symphony No 1 - now, that IS a very fine score  ;D

Based on the praise of both Jeffrey and Johan, I shall try to find time to give the two Goossens' symphonies another shot :)

(And I shall ignore the outrageous provocation from Jeffrey ;D)

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2009, 12:52:26 AM »
(And I shall ignore the outrageous provocation from Jeffrey ;D)

What a pity!  ;D ;)
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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2009, 07:21:59 AM »
What a pity!  ;D ;)

Ah...but cross-refer to the Bliss thread ;D

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Re: Eugene Goosens
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2009, 08:10:53 AM »
I like the Goossens symphonies and would rate them both higher.

I finaloy got to listern to the symphonies. Strong works indeed.  I'll need to listen to them more to appreciate them in their totality and in their details.

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Re: Eugene Goosens (1893-1962) - kinda whacky
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2015, 04:53:07 PM »
Good composer but somewhat "eh??" when you read his biographies and discover the incident with the crazy pagan woman and his stash of what the authorities deemed pornographic material in his luggage.  This interest in the occult derailed his career.

I've been listening to his various chamber works and the Phantasy Concerto for Piano & Orchestra today.
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