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Re: Hans Pfitzner
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2010, 06:56:45 PM »
Just listened to Pfitzner's symphonies Op. 44 and 46.   Neither work shows obvious originality of style or method, but both demonstrate considerable craftsmanship.  The first, Op. 44, the Kleine Sinfonie, is a transparent work, perhaps in the Mendelssohn mold, with elegantly dissonant harmony at times.  The second, Op 46, has a certain Brucknerian mood, but condensed to 17 minutes.  The recording on cpo with Alberts, is very nicely recorded and gracefully performed, and perhaps errs by being too tasteful.


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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2010, 02:36:16 AM »
Just listened to Pfitzner's symphonies Op. 44 and 46.   Neither work shows obvious originality of style or method, but both demonstrate considerable craftsmanship. 


Seems like the essence of Pfitzner, of which I have about 8-9 CDs worth. The only work to really impress have been Palestrina, granted I haven't heard Von Deutscher Seele.

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Re: Hans Pfitzner
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2010, 02:55:50 AM »
Just listened to Pfitzner's symphonies Op. 44 and 46.   Neither work shows obvious originality of style or method, but both demonstrate considerable craftsmanship.  ...


That seems the most happily repeated impression about Pfitzner... and I'll be the first to admit that Pfitzner was an uneven composer with some obvious clunkers. ("Die Rose vom Liebesgarten", anybody? Yikes.) But he isn't lacking originality when he is original--and he was harmonically ahead of Richard Strauss, eventually...
I agree about the performances, though... we really need recordings of all the good Pfitzner orchestral works by Thielemann, who kicks ass and takes names when he gets to swing his baton to the sweet sounds of Pfitzner. (Rumors have it that he grows an imaginary handle-bar mustache, when conducting "Von Deutscher Seele", but that is definitely untrue.)

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Re: Hans Pfitzner
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2010, 06:20:56 AM »
I don't want to give the idea I didn't like it.  I was savoring those bittersweet harmonies.  And the works had the advantage of being succinct.  Nothing worse than a mediocre composer with disproportionate ambition, writing symphonies that go on and on and on.  What was that remark by Stravinsky, that a lot of music keeps going long after it is over.

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Re: Hans Pfitzner
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2010, 07:26:29 AM »
I'm listening to the CPO symphony/preludes disc now...and enjoying the hell out of it. The Presto of op.46 is actually thrilling. I wasn't expecting to be "thrilled" by Pfitzner ;D The Kleine Sinfonie is a delight. Perhaps the performances could be better but let's not be too hard on Albert and the Bambergers: they do a fine job actually.

This is the fourth Pfitzner CD I've heard from the seven I acquired last week. Criticism that he was merely aping 19th century models I've found to be not true. Von deutscher Seele sounds like a twentieth century work and the op.36 Quartet is one with its time period also: not wildly unconventional but not harmonically conservative either.

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Re: Hans Pfitzner
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2010, 08:17:42 AM »
The Presto of op.46 is actually thrilling. I wasn't expecting to be "thrilled" by Pfitzner ;D


Yes, that is a high point, especially when the Bruckneresq motto from the opening of the symphony returns.  One annoying thing about the release, though, is that the booklet contains an essay which takes grate pains to ridicule and belittle the music on the disc.

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Re: Hans Pfitzner
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2010, 08:41:57 AM »
op.36 Quartet is one with its time period also: not wildly unconventional but not harmonically conservative either.

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Op.36 is truly one of the top "Ultra Late Romantic" SQs, along with Schmidt, though, Pfitzner definitely isn't as reclining as Schmidt. For me, Schoeck is the next one on the list. His main SQ promises to be another barn burner.

Did you listen to the Op.50 SQ? It surely has that nostalgia for things irretrieveably lost, a bit like Myaskovsky, but from Germany 1942, haha. Didn't he die is squalor after the war? Op.50 is becoming one of my favorite "moody time" listens.



Somewhere around here there is a Thread concerning the inter-war period, with Pfitzner, Schmidt, Hartmann, Hindemith, Schoeck, Toch, blah blah...
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Re: Hans Pfitzner
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2010, 09:00:25 AM »
Did you listen to the Op.50 SQ?


I did, several times (to each of the four quartets). Yes, there is that nostalgic element (I've been a sucker for "nostalgia" since I was 10 years old  ;D ) although not as obvious as say late Strauss or some of Franz Schmidt's works.

The surprise was the D minor, much more accomplished and "mature" than I thought it would be. Of course it's more conventional than the other quartets, but not less interesting to me. The main theme of the first movement has an aching sorrow, the second theme almost a lullaby. The second movement is quite beautiful: a sad, rather slow, Dvorakian dance.

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Hans Pfitzner
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2010, 12:31:42 AM »
Here is my "Pfitzner-story":

For me it is funny becouse i always had these NAMES  i was  drawn to. :o Pfitzner was one of them, i dont know why? Maybe becouse i had a rough idea when he lived and i always loved the late-romantics (and the "Post-Wagnerianism", what ever that means...). And come to think of it, his name resembles little bit MEDTNER!Now, i knew that many people loved MEDTNER, and i had read about him from a book about the great Vladimir Horowitz.

PFITZNER- MEDTNER; both composers who had some mixed attachment for two great musical countrys, namely Russia and Germany. I guess Medtner was a Russian born in Germany, and Pfitner a German born in Russia (in Moscow, i guess)? I am sure (???) there are two kind of people, those who love Medtner but dont warm to Pfitzner, and those who warm to Pfitzner but dont get Medtner, and i guess i  belong to the latter :D 

So i just read once of this radio-program that featured the Violin Sonata in e-minor. Even the key (e-minor) was something i was drawn to!(The same happened btw with Szymanowski; the name on a radio program, and announcement of a piano etude in E-FLAT MINOR. Here it was the same, i sensed that this had to to be -i knew absolutely nothing about the composer, never even read his name which seemed so difficult to pronounce- a late-romantic, and surely a slavonic composer -i loved Russian composers, i was fourteen or something-and the title of the piece and even the unusual choise of key suggested to me that this was a composer who was attached to the great Chopin tradition. Of course the etude charmed me totally, and later i came to know that its composer was greatly admired and revered ).

So, i listened that sonata. The first movement started with a melody which was just amazing and the music had this kind of melancholy, nostalgic aura which i found simply irresistable!The second movement had a depth in it while the final movement was so "germanic", you know music played "mit schwung"; the melody was a wonderfully hectic and victorous tune in E-Major.

From that experience onwards i knew i had found a new composer that i would cherish. But my encounter with Pfitzner would not be all just wonderment and admiration. I was suprised to find things in him that were baffling... he was not just this kind of warm and heartfelt romantic i thought he was when hearing the Violin Sonata. The 3rd String Qurtet had many beauties  but also lots of  embarrassing naivite and simplicity making me feel uncomfortable and not at all sure  was he being serious.  :-[ And  his later orchestral music sounded often un-inspired and laboured, little pretentious, like the Symphony in c-sharp minor. Also his orchestration sounded simply-ugly and harsh! And the Pianoconcerto was another piece which was dissapointing, banal, uninspired and awkwardly and uneffectively written for the solo instrument.

So i had this battle with Pfitzner,  always somehow convinced that he was an  extremely gifted composer. Like when i got to hear an amazing, early cello concerto in a-minor- Again, there was this kind strange, partly slavonic aftertaste and surely it was inspired from the Schumann cello concerto (even the key), but not in a way that was disturbing. It was music so emotional and powerful- and so inspired and very very virtuosic for the solo instrument! I am still convinced thatit is a great romantic cello concerto and  celllists should just  find it!I am sure audience would love it! Its lyricism is simply wonderful and its all very dramatic. And has truly valuable thematic material, a big tune worthy of Tshaikowsky.
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