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Re: New Releases
« Reply #500 on: April 02, 2012, 03:41:13 AM »
okwithmahler! I like it!

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Concerning Norrington's Mahler recordings... I haven't heard any of them yet. Although I am rather interested to, even if I am rather shocked by the fact that Norrington's M9 adagio appears to be nearly 10 minutes shorter than another other recording!  :o
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« Reply #501 on: April 02, 2012, 03:58:35 AM »
Norrington's M9 adagio appears to be nearly 10 minutes shorter than another other recording!  :o

Almost ten minutes shorter? It must be one of the fastest 4th movements ever recorded! :o I wonder what it is like.....
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #502 on: April 02, 2012, 04:07:10 AM »
But, if he makes it work . . . .
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« Reply #503 on: April 02, 2012, 04:10:28 AM »
Almost ten minutes shorter? It must be one of the fastest 4th movements ever recorded! :o I wonder what it is like.....

Certainly is hard to believe! I looked on amazon at the timings, and it said the last movement came to just over 19 minutes... was quite a shock! I do wonder also what it is like though....
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #504 on: April 02, 2012, 04:17:33 AM »
I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.

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« Reply #505 on: April 02, 2012, 04:20:22 AM »
I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.
A friend of mine to whom I played this movement in a Karajan version, referred to it as "please kill me" music.

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« Reply #506 on: April 02, 2012, 04:28:55 AM »
Ah, the classic Von Karajan Effect. I perceived that in a CD of Mozart once, which I left at a toxic disposal station.
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« Reply #507 on: April 02, 2012, 04:29:20 AM »
What do you so dislike about Norrington? That he has a shtick (non vibrato) and that he rides that home, ad nauseam?
I've heard terrible concerts with him, where he tried to bring that approach to an orchestra that simply didn't know what to do with it, or how. (Bruckner 4th with the NSO, like I'd never want to hear again.) But with his orchestra, he achieved some really memorable things. They figured it out eventually and pulled along most admirably. And their playing is all the better for it, I'd reckon.  Especially some of his last recordings, Bruckner 6th, Mahler 9th, are simply superb.
I'm particularly interested if the orchestra can or will keep some of its now unique abilities under Deneve or if he just flips the perma-sumptuousness on again.

His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.
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« Reply #508 on: April 02, 2012, 04:30:27 AM »
His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.

I've not heard his Mendelssohn, but I can certainly see this.
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« Reply #509 on: April 02, 2012, 04:38:36 AM »
I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.

Well, I am certainly curious to hear it!
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #510 on: April 02, 2012, 04:47:13 AM »
His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.

Also, Norrington's Berlioz Requiem SACD with SWR is phenomenal, was recorded live from a single performance, the Angus Dei from this disc is heavenly.

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #511 on: April 02, 2012, 04:47:36 AM »
Well, I am certainly curious to hear it!

You can watch and listen to the whole Proms performance on YouTube. Not the best recording to consider, though, if you're audiophilic.
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« Reply #512 on: April 02, 2012, 04:54:46 AM »
You can watch and listen to the whole Proms performance on YouTube. Not the best recording to consider, though, if you're audiophilic.

Thank you for this Navneeth. I did watch the Rondo from this performance, which was excellent. Shall make sure to take a listen to the other movements soon.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #513 on: April 02, 2012, 04:57:32 AM »
A friend of mine to whom I played this movement in a Karajan version, referred to it as "please kill me" music.

Ah, the classic Von Karajan Effect

Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for  ;D

Seriously, it's my favorite version.

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #514 on: April 02, 2012, 05:02:16 AM »
I really dislike Norrington and I'm glad he's leaving.

I'm sorry to see him go. His Stuttgart recordings of Bruckner, Mahler, Haydn, Beethoven, Mendelssohn are some of the most thrilling music making I've heard this century.

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« Reply #515 on: April 02, 2012, 05:03:36 AM »
Yeah, but he doesn't do Koechlin or Tippett, so what use is he, Sarge? ; )
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« Reply #516 on: April 02, 2012, 05:06:05 AM »
Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for  ;D

Seriously, it's my favorite version.

Sarge

+1!
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #517 on: April 02, 2012, 05:08:02 AM »
Yeah, but he doesn't do Koechlin or Tippett, so what use is he, Sarge? ; )

Those're just MI's flavor of the month (and last month). Give me the true classics  ;)

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« Reply #518 on: April 02, 2012, 05:08:43 AM »
Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for  ;D

Seriously, it's my favorite version.

Sarge

Is that the live version I've got in the box, Sarge? September 1982.

Still need to cue that baby up . . . .
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« Reply #519 on: April 02, 2012, 05:09:59 AM »
Aw, those're just MI's flavor of the month (and last month). Give me the true classics  ;)

Sarge

I really like the samples of the Norrington Haydn set (the Salonika symphonies) . . . .
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