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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2016, 07:20:20 AM »
Quote from: GioCar on July 27, 2016, 06:35:30 AM
Just bought 3 CDs with a selection of Suk's orchestral works, conducted by Kirill Petrenko.
I'm quite curious. I've never heard Kirill Petrenko - actually he made very few recordings so far - and I've read somewhere he has been championing Suk's music for years.
Here with a Berlin Orchestra, of course, but not yet the famous one... ;)

So...are they good?  Great?  Or something else?  0:)
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2016, 08:17:19 AM »
Quote from: GioCar on July 27, 2016, 06:35:30 AM
I'm quite curious. I've never heard Kirill Petrenko - actually he made very few recordings so far - and I've read somewhere he has been championing Suk's music for years.

Then he at least has good taste!  Excellent composer with a grandson who is one of the great 20th century violinists.

Please give an update as soon as you can on these . . .  I have tons of Supraphon recordings of Suk, among other labels.  A favorite.
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2016, 01:02:47 PM »
Quote from: Scion7 on July 27, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Then he at least has good taste!  Excellent composer with a grandson who is one of the great 20th century violinists.

Please give an update as soon as you can on these . . .  I have tons of Supraphon recordings of Suk, among other labels.  A favorite.

Petrenko's Asrael is excellent.  Even considering competition like Mackerras and Kubelik, this performance is very, very good.  Been a while since I listened to the disc with Ripening, though, and I don't have this A Summer's Tale.
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2016, 07:52:39 PM »
Quote from: Cato on July 27, 2016, 07:20:20 AM
So...are they good?  Great?  Or something else?  0:)

Quote from: Scion7 on July 27, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Please give an update as soon as you can on these . . .

They are in my listening backlog. Hopefully I'll give them a spin in the weekend.
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2016, 08:08:07 PM »
You could be hit by a speeding micro-meteor before the weekend.
I vote you execute Emergency Overide Archimedes, and put them in the queue right now!

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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2016, 11:29:06 PM »
Quote from: Scion7 on July 27, 2016, 08:08:07 PM
You could be hit by a speeding micro-meteor before the weekend.
I vote you execute Emergency Overide Archimedes, and put them in the queue right now!

 0:)

lol

More likely I could be shot in an ISIS terrorist attack  :o
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2017, 03:40:20 AM »
I just posted this in the "What are you listening to now" thread.

"I'm listening to Suk's Asrael Symphony. This is a good value for money set if you're on a budget and want to investigate the music of this composer. Big,epic,late romantic blockbusters with massive,noisy climaxes,and lots of wonderful quiet bits as well. Grreeeeat!!!! :) :) :) I've got his other blockbusters,Ripening,and Epilogue,lined up for when I've finished with these two!".

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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2017, 04:11:46 AM »
I love the big,noisy,pulverising orchestral climaxes in these blockbusters. What not to like?!! Yeeeeeee-hoooooo!! ??? :o ;D :) :) :) :)

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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2017, 06:37:51 AM »
Quote from: cilgwyn on May 12, 2017, 04:11:46 AM
I love the big,noisy,pulverising orchestral climaxes in these blockbusters. What not to like?!! Yeeeeeee-hoooooo!! ??? :o ;D :) :) :) :)



Asrael Symphony has been a work that hasn't done much for me. I’m not sure why this is the case as I’m quite a fan of ‘tragic’ symphonies, but there’s just something missing here that I can’t quite put my finger on. A Summer’s Tale, on the other hand, I really enjoy. Fairy Tale is another feather in Suk’s cap as far as I’m concerned.
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2017, 07:22:31 AM »
I can't help but agree,really. My initial exhilaration at some of the undoubted skill and imagination,not to mention the thunderous climaxes that I might have brained my parents with when I was a youngster ( if I'd known about it back then?) usually drains off towards the end. Some critics have compared the Asrael to Mahler. And as a fan of Mahler,that's the problem. It is an impressive piece of music. I can't really fault it;but there is something missing. If it wasn't all so skilfully put together I'd be able to put my finger on it more easily. It's even got a good tune. Probably the best bit in the work,with that aching,yearning theme in the strings. I find it quite memorable. Still,not everyone can be a Mahler! ;D Yes,I prefer A Summers Tale,too. I think the Asrael is worth a listen now and again,though,if only to puzzle over and give my music system a noisy workout!! ;D
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2017, 07:38:44 AM »
Ripening now. I prefer this to the Asrael;which reservations aside,I did actually enjoy!

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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2017, 06:45:45 AM »
I love 'Asrael' a deeply moving work. I reckon I have at least half a dozen recordings of it. ::)

Let's think:

Pesek
Neuman
Talich
Kubelik
Svetlanov
Malaysian SO version (VG) (Flor)
Ashkenazy (VG)
Chandos recording (Belholavec)
Weller
Mackerrass (excellent)

That's ten off the top of my head.
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2017, 07:34:51 AM »
Quote from: vandermolen on May 13, 2017, 06:45:45 AM
I love 'Asrael' a deeply moving work. I reckon I have at least half a dozen recordings of it. ::)

Let's think:

Pesek
Neuman
Tallich
Kubelik
Svetlanov
Malaysian SO version (VG) (Flor)
Ashkenazy (VG)
Chandos recording (Belholavec)
Weller
Mackerras (excellent)

That's ten off the top of my head.

Belohlavek has recorded Asrael twice actually (also on Supraphon coupled with Britten’s Sinfonia da Requiem).
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2017, 09:32:35 AM »
Quote from: vandermolen on May 13, 2017, 06:45:45 AM
I love 'Asrael' a deeply moving work. I reckon I have at least half a dozen recordings of it. ::)

Let's think:

Pesek
Neuman
Tallich
Kubelik
Svetlanov
Malaysian SO version (VG) (Flor)
Ashkenazy (VG)
Chandos recording (Belholavec)
Weller
Mackerrass (excellent)

That's ten off the top of my head.

A dark horse I really like is Petrenko with the Berlin Comic Opera Orchestra (the other Petrenko).  The other top choices would be Mackerras, Kubelik (difficult to find) and Talich.

Ugh, I see I'm just repeating what I wrote nearly a year ago.
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2017, 09:42:38 AM »
Quote from: cilgwyn on May 12, 2017, 07:22:31 AM
I can't help but agree,really. My initial exhilaration at some of the undoubted skill and imagination,not to mention the thunderous climaxes that I might have brained my parents with when I was a youngster ( if I'd known about it back then?) usually drains off towards the end. Some critics have compared the Asrael to Mahler. And as a fan of Mahler,that's the problem. It is an impressive piece of music. I can't really fault it;but there is something missing. If it wasn't all so skilfully put together I'd be able to put my finger on it more easily. It's even got a good tune. Probably the best bit in the work,with that aching,yearning theme in the strings. I find it quite memorable. Still,not everyone can be a Mahler! ;D Yes,I prefer A Summers Tale,too. I think the Asrael is worth a listen now and again,though,if only to puzzle over and give my music system a noisy workout!! ;D

Agree completely.  Though I treasure his music, Suk does not have the clarity, directness, and universality of Mahler, he's much more reticent.
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2017, 10:38:43 AM »
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 13, 2017, 07:34:51 AM
Belohlavek has recorded Asrael twice actually (also on Supraphon coupled with Britten’s Sinfonia da Requiem).
Yes, and I have both of them!
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Re: Josef Suk 1875-1935
« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2017, 10:44:04 AM »
Quote from: Daverz on May 13, 2017, 09:32:35 AM
A dark horse I really like is Petrenko with the Berlin Comic Opera Orchestra (the other Petrenko).  The other top choices would be Mackerras, Kubelik (difficult to find) and Talich.

Ugh, I see I'm just repeating what I wrote nearly a year ago.
I have that one too.  Which makes twelve recordings including two by Belohlavek.
OCD  :(
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