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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1740 on: November 02, 2018, 01:16:47 PM »
Slowest and Fastest Adagio of the 9th Symphony

What are the candidates? Bernstein/Vienna/DG takes a staggering 17:52; Pletnev/RNO/DG only 11:43 (faster than, say, P.Jaervi). Does anyone know of any other extremes beyond that?

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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1741 on: November 02, 2018, 01:39:34 PM »
Slowest and Fastest Adagio of the 9th Symphony

What are the candidates? Bernstein/Vienna/DG takes a staggering 17:52; Pletnev/RNO/DG only 11:43 (faster than, say, P.Jaervi). Does anyone know of any other extremes beyond that?

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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1742 on: November 03, 2018, 02:00:22 AM »
Furtwängler Bayreuth 1951 19:32,
Furtwängler Berlin March 1942 20:04 (according to track list, actual playing times are probably a few seconds shorter)

Norrington/Virgin 11:08
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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1743 on: November 03, 2018, 08:09:34 AM »
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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1744 on: November 03, 2018, 10:34:18 AM »



The Adagio actually has a comparatively reasonable timing in the Cobra recording.
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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1745 on: November 03, 2018, 07:31:11 PM »
Good grief. Did the performance include a dinner break?
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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1746 on: November 04, 2018, 02:13:05 AM »
Looks like some of the chorus are nodding off.

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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1747 on: November 04, 2018, 05:19:54 AM »



The Adagio actually has a comparatively reasonable timing in the Cobra recording.
110' ... what could possibly justify this.

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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1748 on: November 04, 2018, 05:41:43 AM »
110' ... what could possibly justify this.


Nothing.  The entire cycle is like this.  His recording of Mozart's 25th comes in at over 50', and his recording of the K310 and K331 sonatas requires two discs.  Cobra is, to use the clinical term, a crackpot.
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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1749 on: November 04, 2018, 06:45:55 AM »
110' ... what could possibly justify this.

 Willem Talsma's theory of the variable metronome in  Rebirth of the Classical Composers. I've never read it, by the way, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a connection.
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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1750 on: November 04, 2018, 06:51:57 AM »

Nothing.  The entire cycle is like this.  His recording of Mozart's 25th comes in at over 50', and his recording of the K310 and K331 sonatas requires two discs.  Cobra is, to use the clinical term, a crackpot.

......... or an attention seeker or both

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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1751 on: November 04, 2018, 07:07:33 AM »

Nothing.  The entire cycle is like this.  His recording of Mozart's 25th comes in at over 50', and his recording of the K310 and K331 sonatas requires two discs.  Cobra is, to use the clinical term, a crackpot.
Also most of the "recordings" are MIDI files produced with a commercially available sound library. (Not the Beethoven 9th, but it's obvious if you listen to the sound samples of any of the others.) Basically he just entered all the notes into a sequencer (or, more likely, hired someone else to do it) and then set the tempo to "slow". In terms of grifter quality, he's definitely no Concert Artists.

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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1752 on: November 04, 2018, 07:15:40 AM »
Also most of the "recordings" are MIDI files produced with a commercially available sound library. (Not the Beethoven 9th, but it's obvious if you listen to the sound samples of any of the others.) Basically he just entered all the notes into a sequencer (or, more likely, hired someone else to do it) and then set the tempo to "slow". In terms of grifter quality, he's definitely no Concert Artists.


Ah, he's another Claudio Colombo.  Good to know.
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Re: Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
« Reply #1753 on: November 06, 2018, 07:04:11 AM »
Maximianno Cobra 21.06

I wouldn't consider that Beethoven. :-)

The only thing that's astounding about that crackpot fake cycle is that he somehow got Erika Miklósa to sing in the performance of the 9th. Well, I suppose Daddy's money will buy anything.

Norrington, huh!? I think I even listened to that. Or maybe just the finale. Should have looked at the notes. Thanks for the reminder. And Furtwangler that long... His Lucerne recording is also pretty long with 19:41 for the Adagio.


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Re: Slow and fast 9th symphony adagios
« Reply #1755 on: November 13, 2018, 10:40:30 AM »
The slowest I can think of in my collection is Solti /Chicago on Decca.: 19:49

The fastest I think is Immerseel /Anima Eterna : 12:32
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