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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2017, 09:49:29 AM »
Always interesting recommends, fellas! ;)


Ordered the Stravinsky/Knussen (DG)...

Might try some of that Nono...

I've sniffed it a few times, I guess I fear the "less than Philips" sound??... yes, forgot about Busoni and Scriabin...
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My main thing with the piano now is SOUND, hence the Kocsis even though I don't seem to be craving Bartok. I AM craving that sort of Philips Piano Sound.

Mustonen is the kind of pianist who has that ridiculously refined touch (Pogo, Kocsis, Ranki?)... was listening to his Stravinsky concertos... I might even get Beethoven for the Mustonen, lol.


If you "get" the type of pianist I'm looking for, I might even get "doo-dah" just to hear the sound and playing.

lol, that thing has always scared me... must check on it...

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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2017, 03:10:00 PM »
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But as you know, I have fully fallen into a Stravinsky Trap :(... resiting,... but,... weak.... weak.....
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2017, 08:11:28 AM »
Any classical music  recordings using dulcimar effectively? Thanks.

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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2017, 08:17:29 AM »
Any classical music  recordings using dulcimar effectively? Thanks.

Great question!

Only an indirect answer . . . the Hungarian cimbalom is similar to a hammer dulcimer.

One example of a chamber work including the cimbalom:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ohnFQDtKXJc" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/ohnFQDtKXJc</a>
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2017, 10:12:04 AM »
Great question!

Only an indirect answer . . . the Hungarian cimbalom is similar to a hammer dulcimer.

One example of a chamber work including the cimbalom:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ohnFQDtKXJc" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/ohnFQDtKXJc</a>

Man, that’s such a hip work. The orchestration alone is genius.
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2017, 10:14:37 AM »
Aye.
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2017, 06:32:48 PM »
Great question!

Only an indirect answer . . . the Hungarian cimbalom is similar to a hammer dulcimer.

One example of a chamber work including the cimbalom:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ohnFQDtKXJc" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/ohnFQDtKXJc</a>

Indeed, sounds like dulcimar, and very effective. Thank you very much. Long time ago I heard dulcimar in an orchestrated music of Satie, but had no idea what recording that was.
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2017, 06:37:43 PM »
Don't resist it, get the entire available works of Stravinsky box if you don't have it already.

You'll come back screaming for Aperghis within a matter of weeks  >:D

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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2017, 09:52:04 PM »
There is another earlier Stravinsky work (1916) that uses a Cimbalom in its orchestration
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Orchestration:
Singers: 2 tenors, 2 basses (in the pit with the other musicians, the mime / dancers on stage.
flute (doubling piccolo), oboe (doubling cor anglais), clarinet (doubling Eb clarinet), bassoon, 2 horns, trumpet, percussion (timpani, triangle, tambourine with bells, tambourine without bells, cylindrical drum, cymbals, bass drum), cimbalom, 2 violins, viola, cello and double-bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Marw193Upo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vyInfucWds

a film of a staged version conducted by Pierre Boulez
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/nM4zPeC545w" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/nM4zPeC545w</a>
...another staging, pretty fantastic, fun, and wonderfully energetic;  lacking the cimbalom, upright piano with tacks in the hammers is a rather clever substitute.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/U977r0nntEk" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/U977r0nntEk</a>

Enjoy


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P.s. check youtube for cimbalom;  there are a good number of traditional Hungarian pieces there.  Look also under Concerto for Cimbalom. there are a few of them!
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2017, 09:35:18 AM »
Thanks a lot. They all are interesting works!

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Re: Tell Me What to Buy UPDATE: September 5, 2017 UPDATE
« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2017, 12:24:40 PM »
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE


It's been Stravinsky 24/7 since, I suppose, February. Whew! Wow.


Currently, I only have Ghedini and Frank Martin on the radar,.... ahh, I really don't neeed anything, can't think of anything I want,...

1) Aperghis: 'Avis le tempete'

An exhausting "opera" thingy... I listened to a bit on YT and just didn't need the stress...


2) Stravinsky: 'Persephone'

Don't really feel like listening to a tenor, though I like the music,... eh, I just can't get excited here...


3) Stravinsky/ Bartok: Piano Music (Ranki;Apex)

Again, I like his delicate touch, but I have trouble getting excited over the music.


4) Stravinsky: 'The Flood/ Requiem Canticles...' (DG)

I can generate just a touch more excitement for this... I don't know why I just can't get excited over Igor?!?!


5) Malipiero Piano Music

I like his Impressionistic early stuff... but I lose interest in the quirky/uppity stuff.


6) Bartok Piano Muisc: Kocsis Box

I have been trying to make myself believe here, but I just don't think I can handle some of the simpler stuff. And, sampling a few of the 'Romanian' this and 'Hungarian' that, that most of Bartok's output here seems to be in the miniature range. I'd be more interested in 1-2 discs of the "important" stuff. Don't know if I can deal with 'Mikrokosmos' and 'For Children'. I know you guys are going to try to convince me here, but WHY?  After Modern Piano, it has been hard to go back to pre-1951, even if it's scintillating ,... I dunno, give it a try...


7) Henze??

How are the Piano Concertos and Violin Concertos? anything other than the Symphonies?...


8) I'm really scraping it here... I almost feel bad for not wanting anything...

Nono: 'O Sole...'

Massive opera thingy, probably more angst than I want to deal with right now. How bout '...Sospeso'?




I guess I'm good?



Ah, now I remember: I had gotten my first ever Opera last year, 'Die Soldaten', which made me look around at Nono and Stravinsky, and then I got on the Stravinsky tip around February.  Well, I'm certainly not feeling desperate enough to go Opera hunting, though, still, Nono doooes beckon.

Ghedini and Frank Martin are only on the radar because of Stravinsky. Stravinsky has ruined a lot of music for me! :laugh: I'm having trouble caring...

The Nono just seems so tumultuous, and I don't know if I'm feeling like tackling Operas of High Modernism./// I still can't stand Opera singing to a fault...


That leaves the other generic genres I've mentioned before on here,... I noticed Henze was on there, whom I have been listening to for three days now (but I don't know how willing I am to buy something). Malipiero Piano Music,... eh, maybe, maybe not.

Ferneyhough String Quartets may have to be saved for another season: I'm just not ready for him just yet.

Xenakis: NOTHING :( :'(


Not ready for Brahms Piano Music,... or,... am I? (please, one sample of the best ya got)


Ancient Music? Nah,...

Lassus/Zelenka? mmm,... eh,... can you find me some minor keys? Otherwise, probably not right now.





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Re: Tell Me What to Buy: Page 3 UPDATE
« Reply #51 on: September 04, 2017, 12:29:42 PM »
After that last post from snyprrr, this thread should be titled “Tell Me What Not To Buy”. :)
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy: Page 3 UPDATE
« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2017, 06:18:38 PM »
After that last post from snyprrr, this thread should be titled “Tell Me What Not To Buy”. :)

I'm just fishin',... I had thought of Villa-Lobos Symphony No.7,... maybe I'm ready for the 'Bachianas'?,... I did want to try Symphonies 10-12,...

You know, ... fishin'
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy: Page 3 UPDATE
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2017, 11:50:42 AM »
Btw, cimbalom (dulcimer) can be heard on Heinz Holliger's violin concerto

and with Peter Eötvös who wrote a concertante piece for dulcimer and (chamber) ensemble ("da capo", 2014) - saw it performed in late June at Tonhalle Zurich but thought it was a bit of an easy win in that it was a bit too obviously funny and crowd-pleasing.

And Patricia Kopatchinskaja has her father play cimbalom on her great disc "Rapsodia" (naïve, 2010) - here he is in 1976, playing the same piece they do as an opener of that CD:

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Re: Tell Me What to Buy: Page 3 UPDATE
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2017, 08:20:47 AM »
I finally purchased the Ghedini SONY disc, conducted by Daniele Rustioni. The samples reveal quite a powerful and seductive selection of Late Works. Just the fact that SONY went there was enough for me! ;)
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Re: Tell Me What to Buy
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2017, 03:11:58 PM »
Is it a happy place?

BOUGHT:

Skalkottas Chamber Music 'Sonata Cycle': Holligger&Co. (Philips) 49mins.

French Oboe Music: Saint-Saens, Poulenc, Koechlin, Dutilleux, Bozza (Virgin) 79mins.





I seem to be flirting with boredom here after that epic IgorMania2017 marathon... everything's relating to Igor circa 1923 for me right now... and, Avant-Garde being a bit on the expensive side (can't find anything... the Skalkottas had been on the list for... ever)...

oy, is it French Flute Music next, LOL :laugh:?!?! huh??

oh please let me get away from the Harp,Flute,Strings...pleeeeeeez ??? :o ???
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