Author Topic: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)  (Read 16445 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline nathanb

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 396
  • Location: Dallas
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #100 on: September 16, 2016, 11:46:37 PM »
Oh boy, I get to get Xenakiboy into a lot more spectralism :)

Offline snyprrr

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 10282
  • SQs, PQs, PQTs, PTs, VSs, Berlioz-Xenakis/Aperghis
  • Currently Listening to:
    Things that are crisp and spritely vs. things that are thick and creamy
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #101 on: September 17, 2016, 03:37:13 PM »
Oh boy, I get to get Xenakiboy into a lot more spectralism :)

but I find "sprctRUMism" in Xenakis, maybe not "specTRALism"... There is a lot of the same concerns... IX's late piece 'Voile' for strings, has a very spectro-gramic sound to it.

I mean, 'Spectralism' per se, as Grisey sets it out, and a very limited lifespan, no? It's kind of like a manual phase-shifter, or graphic EQ...


anyhow... I can't focus right now, boss quit/work chaos- (me? party!!!)
Rat Poison is 99% Good Food, so Follow the Money

Haydn-Sikh

Offline GioCar

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 424
  • Location: Milan
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #102 on: September 17, 2016, 10:06:08 PM »
Ok, this is a question for real Griseyians  ;)
In less than one mounth I'll have the chance to listen to the below pieces, performed separately for this year's annual festival of contemporary music in Milan.

(Les) Espaces acoustiques (1974/85) - 14 October
Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil (1998) - 29 October
Jour, contre jour (1979) - 4 November
Charme (1969) - 12 November (afternoon concert)
Le Noir de l'Étoile (1989/90) 12 and 13 November
Stèle (1995) 13 November (afternoon concert)
Anubis et Nout (1990) 19 November
L'Icône paradoxale (1993/94) - 21 November

I have already planned to go for

(Les) Espaces acoustiques (1974/85) - 14 October
Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil (1998) - 29 October

If you have to pick no more than two other concerts, which ones would you choose? Thanks  :)


Offline SimonNZ

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3195
  • Location: Christchurch, NZ
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #103 on: September 17, 2016, 11:30:27 PM »
Man, I need to move to Milan...

Charme, Stele and Anubis et Nout are all short (ie ten minutes or less) small-scale (solo) works. If you're limiting yourself to just two more then I'd go for the biggies. For me that would be the percussion work Le Noir de l'Étoile and a toss-up between Jour, contre jour and L'Icône paradoxale. Of those two I might actually go for the latter. which has more variety in writing and instrumentation, including vocal parts, than the moody former, as well as more chance of providing a performance tellingly different to the cds.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2016, 11:57:57 PM by SimonNZ »

Offline GioCar

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 424
  • Location: Milan
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #104 on: September 18, 2016, 05:08:48 AM »
Man, I need to move to Milan...

Simon, that bonanza is just for a few weeks of the year ;). The rest of the concert season here is quite traditional...

Charme, Stele and Anubis et Nout are all short (ie ten minutes or less) small-scale (solo) works. If you're limiting yourself to just two more then I'd go for the biggies. For me that would be the percussion work Le Noir de l'Étoile and a toss-up between Jour, contre jour and L'Icône paradoxale. Of those two I might actually go for the latter. which has more variety in writing and instrumentation, including vocal parts, than the moody former, as well as more chance of providing a performance tellingly different to the cds.

I also was thinking at Le Noir de l'Étoile. And L'Icône paradoxale looks very intriguing, also because it will be paired with some Messiaen and Ravel. Thanks a lot!  :)

Offline Thatfabulousalien

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 2829
  • Variations of Armature Pianist and Arm Chair Paris
  • Currently Listening to:
    Currently conducting the largest symphony in the galaxy and we don't even have enough money to get scores because our accountant has been slacking off and putting us in a little bit of debt
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2016, 11:17:31 PM »
Oh boy, I get to get Xenakiboy into a lot more spectralism :)

Challenge accepted  ;)
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." - A.C.

Offline Scion7

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 1879
  • "A vér az élet."
  • Location: Borgó Pass
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #106 on: September 20, 2016, 03:23:16 AM »
Vortex Temporum (for six instruments) is listenable. I would have pruned it by every 3rd repeat of a phrase, though.   
If I could create an ideal world, it would be an England with the fire of the Elizabethans, the correct taste of the Georgians, and the refinement and pure ideals of the Victorians. - H.P. Lovecraft

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 7639
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #107 on: September 20, 2016, 08:46:34 AM »
Ok, this is a question for real Griseyians  ;)
In less than one mounth I'll have the chance to listen to the below pieces, performed separately for this year's annual festival of contemporary music in Milan.

(Les) Espaces acoustiques (1974/85) - 14 October
Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil (1998) - 29 October
Jour, contre jour (1979) - 4 November
Charme (1969) - 12 November (afternoon concert)
Le Noir de l'Étoile (1989/90) 12 and 13 November
Stèle (1995) 13 November (afternoon concert)
Anubis et Nout (1990) 19 November
L'Icône paradoxale (1993/94) - 21 November

I have already planned to go for

(Les) Espaces acoustiques (1974/85) - 14 October
Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil (1998) - 29 October

If you have to pick no more than two other concerts, which ones would you choose? Thanks  :)

I think you should go to jour contre- jour and Anubis-nout. I don't know icone paradoxale, I'm not crazy about the percussion piece noir d'etoiles, though I imagine it would make an exciting concert.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2016, 08:59:42 AM by Mandryka »
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Brewski

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 11610
  • "Man With No Shadow" by Makoto Tojiki (2009)
    • Monotonous Forest
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #108 on: September 20, 2016, 08:57:59 AM »
I also was thinking at Le Noir de l'Étoile. And L'Icône paradoxale looks very intriguing, also because it will be paired with some Messiaen and Ravel. Thanks a lot!  :)

Another vote for Le noir, which I had the great fortune to hear twice in three months, live, by different ensembles (and probably never again). If you like percussion, it's a marvelous experience.

The others, alas, I don't know (other than the two "big ones" that you've already booked).

--Bruce
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire.
     ~ Gustav Mahler

Twitter: @brucehodgesny

Offline GioCar

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 424
  • Location: Milan
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #109 on: September 20, 2016, 08:34:05 PM »
Bruce and Mandryka, thanks for your comments and recommendations. :)

Le Noir de l'Étoile will be performed by Les Percussions de Strasbourg, a great ensemble I do appreciate a lot. I already have their recording of the Grisey's piece but I've never heard them (or anybody else) playing it live, so I definitely won't miss that chance now.

If I hadn't promised Mrs GioCar I'd have limited myself to only 4 concerts... ::)

Offline Thatfabulousalien

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 2829
  • Variations of Armature Pianist and Arm Chair Paris
  • Currently Listening to:
    Currently conducting the largest symphony in the galaxy and we don't even have enough money to get scores because our accountant has been slacking off and putting us in a little bit of debt
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #110 on: March 20, 2017, 03:25:26 AM »
I love Grisey
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." - A.C.

Offline Thatfabulousalien

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 2829
  • Variations of Armature Pianist and Arm Chair Paris
  • Currently Listening to:
    Currently conducting the largest symphony in the galaxy and we don't even have enough money to get scores because our accountant has been slacking off and putting us in a little bit of debt
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #111 on: March 31, 2017, 12:13:55 AM »
I should really try to study his work in depth, he (like Murail and Dufort) was a very highly important late 20th century composer and a musical visionary  :D

If he hadn't died so young, I wonder where his music would've gone in the last 20 years?  ::)
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." - A.C.

Offline Thatfabulousalien

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 2829
  • Variations of Armature Pianist and Arm Chair Paris
  • Currently Listening to:
    Currently conducting the largest symphony in the galaxy and we don't even have enough money to get scores because our accountant has been slacking off and putting us in a little bit of debt
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #112 on: April 22, 2017, 12:58:03 AM »
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." - A.C.

Offline Thatfabulousalien

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 2829
  • Variations of Armature Pianist and Arm Chair Paris
  • Currently Listening to:
    Currently conducting the largest symphony in the galaxy and we don't even have enough money to get scores because our accountant has been slacking off and putting us in a little bit of debt
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #113 on: April 22, 2017, 01:13:29 AM »
Listening to Enspaces Acoustiques and I am once again stunned my the alien timbres he gets out of these standard acoustic orchestral instruments, it's amazing (not that it hasn't been mimicked by hundreds of other spectral composers) but it is quite a special cycle. Grisey is so different from Murail and Dufourt et al, they all have such immersive and individual soundworlds. There's a real rawness to Grisey's sororities compared to Murail's more angelic (I guess) sororities, or Dufourt's more desert-island sound (idk).


But for Grisey, damn I love his work (hence my avatar for the past fortnight). I've got probably half his work (tending to be on the second half of his career), none of it losses interest. I keep coming back and being stunned every time  :laugh:

Also the Vortex and Quatre Chants.... :-* :-*
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains." - A.C.

Offline snyprrr

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 10282
  • SQs, PQs, PQTs, PTs, VSs, Berlioz-Xenakis/Aperghis
  • Currently Listening to:
    Things that are crisp and spritely vs. things that are thick and creamy
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998) THE GRISEY SPOON
« Reply #114 on: April 22, 2017, 06:31:19 AM »
The Grisey Spoon



thank you, snyprrr
Rat Poison is 99% Good Food, so Follow the Money

Haydn-Sikh

Online North Star

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 14989
  • Location: Kuopio, Finland
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998) THE GRISEY SPOON
« Reply #115 on: April 22, 2017, 06:38:56 AM »
The Grisey Spoon



thank you, snyprrr
Any particular reason it should be the [ɡʁizɛ] spoon?
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

Offline Rinaldo

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 1474
  • Cara sposa, dove sei?
    • aaraaf.net
  • Location: Prague
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #116 on: April 22, 2017, 07:56:47 AM »
Vortex Temporum makes a surprise appearance at this year's Prague Spring festival, can't wait!

Offline snyprrr

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 10282
  • SQs, PQs, PQTs, PTs, VSs, Berlioz-Xenakis/Aperghis
  • Currently Listening to:
    Things that are crisp and spritely vs. things that are thick and creamy
Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998) THE GRISEY SPOON
« Reply #117 on: April 22, 2017, 09:36:24 AM »
Any particular reason it should be the [ɡʁizɛ] spoon?

ahh... I'm not sure it matters how his name is pronounced... but, I'm not sure if you know the slang: "greasy spoon" means low class diner... even washing their dishes, they still always have a "greasy spoon"...

so, instead of "Grisey's Diner"... oh well, latent attempt at humore fails on a drizzly day :(
Rat Poison is 99% Good Food, so Follow the Money

Haydn-Sikh

Buying Music From Amazon?
Please consider using these links. A small percentage of every sale using these links is passed on to GMG and helps keep this forum online.
Amazon US
Amazon Canada
Amazon UK