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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2017, 04:11:49 AM »
The Grisey revelation for any beginner starts out as follows:

1. Eh, Partiels is pretty good!
2. OMG, PARTIELS IS A MASTERPIECE, THIS IS ONE OF THE CANON MASTERPIECES ALL CLASSICAL MUSIC!!
3. Huh what? Partiels is only one piece in a 2 hour cycle, it's only the 'hit' of Espaces Acoustiques  :o
4. ESPACES ACOUSTIQUES IS THE GREATEST PIECE OF THE 20th CENTURY!!!!!
5. Huh what? Grisey wrote other works too!!!!!
6. Repeat for every other piece  :D


Seriously though, you know it's true  8)

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2017, 05:28:22 PM »
The Grisey revelation for any beginner starts out as follows:

1. Eh, Partiels is pretty good!
2. OMG, PARTIELS IS A MASTERPIECE, THIS IS ONE OF THE CANON MASTERPIECES ALL CLASSICAL MUSIC!!
3. Huh what? Partiels is only one piece in a 2 hour cycle, it's only the 'hit' of Espaces Acoustiques  :o
4. ESPACES ACOUSTIQUES IS THE GREATEST PIECE OF THE 20th CENTURY!!!!!
5. Huh what? Grisey wrote other works too!!!!!
6. Repeat for every other piece  :D

Seriously though, you know it's true  8)

I can vouch for the accuracy of this.

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2017, 05:55:39 PM »
I can vouch for the accuracy of this.

 ;D  8)

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #123 on: November 16, 2017, 07:19:11 PM »
So Partiels is an absolute masterpiece, one of the greatest things written last century.


But I think I'm an even bigger fan of the second half of the cycle:


Modulations
Transitories
Epilogue

It is.......is......is.......is:













Completely incomparable, even Stockhausen's Licht (which I'm a huuuuuuge fan of) doesn't quite reach what Espaces Acoustiques reaches  8)

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #124 on: December 04, 2017, 01:15:57 AM »
When I'm in the mood, Grisey absolutely floors me.

Sort of like with Scelsi, it is really "music from the other side" isn't it?  ;) (in a positive way)

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #125 on: December 04, 2017, 07:46:27 AM »
When I'm in the mood, Grisey absolutely floors me.

Sort of like with Scelsi, it is really "music from the other side" isn't it?  ;) (in a positive way)

"When I'm in the mood" being the key for me here... I think what I need is "Son of Espaces Acoutiques"... who has written the HitParade version of EA? OK, maybe I'll take it to work today...
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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #126 on: December 05, 2017, 08:57:09 AM »
The Grisey revelation for any beginner starts out as follows:

1. Eh, Partiels is pretty good!
2. OMG, PARTIELS IS A MASTERPIECE, THIS IS ONE OF THE CANON MASTERPIECES ALL CLASSICAL MUSIC!!
3. Huh what? Partiels is only one piece in a 2 hour cycle, it's only the 'hit' of Espaces Acoustiques  :o
4. ESPACES ACOUSTIQUES IS THE GREATEST PIECE OF THE 20th CENTURY!!!!!
5. Huh what? Grisey wrote other works too!!!!!
6. Repeat for every other piece  :D


Seriously though, you know it's true  8)

*chuckling*

Les espaces acoustiques is definitely one of the greatest of the 20th century (among too many contenders). And yes, Partiels is fabulous -- but then, I adore all sections of the piece. Still hoping some ambitious orchestra will do the entire thing live in New York. Spectral scores are still challenging for most conventional orchestral musicians. (I've heard more of his music from new chamber music groups, like the International Contemporary Ensemble, for example.)

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #127 on: December 05, 2017, 09:04:15 AM »
*chuckling*

Les espaces acoustiques is definitely one of the greatest of the 20th century (among too many contenders). And yes, Partiels is fabulous -- but then, I adore all sections of the piece. Still hoping some ambitious orchestra will do the entire thing live in New York. Spectral scores are still challenging for most conventional orchestral musicians. (I've heard more of his music from new chamber music groups, like the International Contemporary Ensemble, for example.)

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Susanna Mälkki and the Helsinki Philharmonic did Les espaces acoustiques in February. I wish I could have been there..
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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #128 on: December 05, 2017, 11:59:59 PM »
Susanna Mälkki and the Helsinki Philharmonic did Les espaces acoustiques in February. I wish I could have been there..

I'm excited to learn of this and hope a radio broadcast recording makes it way to YT, but investigating it appears to be Pierre Andre Valade, rather than Malkki:

http://helsinginkaupunginorkesteri.fi/en/concerts/musica-nova-helsinki

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #129 on: December 06, 2017, 01:19:53 AM »
I'm excited to learn of this and hope a radio broadcast recording makes it way to YT, but investigating it appears to be Pierre Andre Valade, rather than Malkki:

http://helsinginkaupunginorkesteri.fi/en/concerts/musica-nova-helsinki
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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #130 on: December 06, 2017, 03:10:34 AM »
If I saw Les Espaces Acoustiques live, I would honestly walk out in tears by the time it ends (heck it started to happen at one point when I saw Le Sacre recently). Not that I am a person who sheds tears easily or often but it would be so overwhelming for me, considering how attached I am to it 
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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #131 on: December 06, 2017, 03:16:27 AM »
But in the context of my own home, playing it on the stereo as I do, it is very much a psychedelic work for me. The cycle is a spiritual experience, I come out of the epilogue after those incredible, otherworldly 90 minutes going "wow!".
The feeling that you have come out of the cycle/work a different person.
Man, it takes me somewhere amazing  :-*

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #132 on: December 06, 2017, 03:22:52 AM »
*chuckling*

Les espaces acoustiques is definitely one of the greatest of the 20th century

Damn right it is  :D

(among too many contenders).

Undeniably yes, which causes some internal conflict with my other idols  :laugh: :laugh:

Partiels is fabulous -- but then, I adore all sections of the piece.


The entire thing is perfect IMO, but I think Transitories may be my favorite individual part.  ;)

Still hoping some ambitious orchestra will do the entire thing live in New York. Spectral scores are still challenging for most conventional orchestral musicians. (I've heard more of his music from new chamber music groups, like the International Contemporary Ensemble, for example.)

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I really, really hope so too. If you play it enough, you'll draw an audience/grow more awareness of Grisey.

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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #133 on: December 06, 2017, 03:24:49 AM »
who has written the HitParade version of EA? OK, maybe I'll take it to work today...

This I guess, as it is kinda the "classic recording"



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Re: Gérard Grisey (1946-1998)
« Reply #134 on: December 06, 2017, 04:49:48 AM »
Susanna Mälkki and the Helsinki Philharmonic did Les espaces acoustiques in February. I wish I could have been there..

I was there. It was Pierre-Andre Valade, not Mälkki. Valade conducts with an eerie precision. His approach would probably suck for Classical or Romantic-era music where rubato is appreciated in "interpretation", but in spectral repertoire where the timings are very precisely calculated, he made the work run like clockwork. Definitely one of the best concerts I’ve ever been to.

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