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Offline Carlo Gesualdo

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Lamentations, Magnificats is it you're cup of tea?
« on: December 11, 2019, 04:18:54 PM »
I love Laments more so than Magnificats so far...

But there are still exception for exceptional Magnificats take per.se Pierre de la rue and Nicolas Gombert did top notch magnificats, this is just my opinion, but try them see for yourself. But I would freely admit Magnificats are harder to get into, at least for me.

Laments or what I prefer above all, In this type of religious music, Laments seem captivating. What paved the way to my liking of Roland de Lassus outstanding Laments of Jeremiah , this was my first introduction to this genre from this starting point I discover lost of interesting music, heart whelming, may I say soulful.

Why i like these genres, the music gently drones away for long time and are mezmerizing whit beautiful moments.

There usually slow pace I kinda like music  that is slow pace and long. But not for everyone, like I would expect a Mozart fan would hate there slow pace and lithurgic contents...

Both Laments & Magnificats demand the listener patience, chilling out, there like a fruit you slowly peal one of these exotic fruits whit heavy skin you ripped, take the dragon fruit I.e, this is not easy music to get into has it demand patience, each listen reveal something news, you did not witness so far.

I can wash the dishes and clean up my home listening to I.e  J.s Bach or whatever, and still focus on the music in the background, but Magnificats and Lamentations, I need my couch to rest and concentration to slowly analyse these patterns or the layers of vocal music.

In other words harder to love, but so amazing. Not really party music but does it mater. Yet there formulated or format for the patient listener.

And yes like I said previously If I listen to these type of music I most hear them all, thus said and meaning, it demand time, take this I.e for facts when I listen to Gombert's Magnificats, I go to hear them in chronological order both album on Tallis Scholars, just like I would do whit Pierre de la Rue, so when I listen to them i Need 2 full hours and no phone ringing or stuff that would ruin it all.

Instrumental music perhaps is less demanding for the brain I don't know, like I said I can listen to Telemann and still do shores at home whiteout ruining the music virtues.

Perhaps it's a perception I have. What your cue on this?

I hope people understand the point of this post and what I'm trying to says Laments and Magnificats demand passion & devotion?

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Re: Lamentations, Magnificats is it you're cup of tea?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2019, 04:29:08 PM »
I love Laments more so than Magnificats so far...

But there are still exception for exceptional Magnificats take per.se Pierre de la rue and Nicolas Gombert did top notch magnificats, this is just my opinion, but try them see for yourself. But I would freely admit Magnificats are harder to get into, at least for me.

Laments or what I prefer above all, In this type of religious music, Laments seem captivating. What paved the way to my liking of Roland de Lassus outstanding Laments of Jeremiah , this was my first introduction to this genre from this starting point I discover lost of interesting music, heart whelming, may I say soulful.

Why i like these genres, the music gently drones away for long time and are mezmerizing whit beautiful moments.

There usually slow pace I kinda like music  that is slow pace and long. But not for everyone, like I would expect a Mozart fan would hate there slow pace and lithurgic contents...

Both Laments & Magnificats demand the listener patience, chilling out, there like a fruit you slowly peal one of these exotic fruits whit heavy skin you ripped, take the dragon fruit I.e, this is not easy music to get into has it demand patience, each listen reveal something news, you did not witness so far.

I can wash the dishes and clean up my home listening to I.e  J.s Bach or whatever, and still focus on the music in the background, but Magnificats and Lamentations, I need my couch to rest and concentration to slowly analyse these patterns or the layers of vocal music.

In other words harder to love, but so amazing. Not really party music but does it mater. Yet there formulated or format for the patient listener.

And yes like I said previously If I listen to these type of music I most hear them all, thus said and meaning, it demand time, take this I.e for facts when I listen to Gombert's Magnificats, I go to hear them in chronological order both album on Tallis Scholars, just like I would do whit Pierre de la Rue, so when I listen to them i Need 2 full hours and no phone ringing or stuff that would ruin it all.

Instrumental music perhaps is less demanding for the brain I don't know, like I said I can listen to Telemann and still do shores at home whiteout ruining the music virtues.

Perhaps it's a perception I have. What your cue on this?

I hope people understand the point of this post and what I'm trying to says Laments and Magnificats demand passion & devotion?
Not easy music to get into? Not for me. As a pre-teenager the more turgid a Lamentation, Magnificat the more I liked it. However, when I reached an age where I begain to understand and consequently reject the sad-masochist theology at the heart of Christian belief systems I had to learn to ignore what was being sung about and only concentrate on the music. Not always easy.
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Offline Mandryka

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Re: Lamentations, Magnificats is it you're cup of tea?
« Reply #2 on: Today at 01:23:27 AM »
I love Laments more so than Magnificats so far...

But there are still exception for exceptional Magnificats take per.se Pierre de la rue and Nicolas Gombert did top notch magnificats, this is just my opinion, but try them see for yourself. But I would freely admit Magnificats are harder to get into, at least for me.

Laments or what I prefer above all, In this type of religious music, Laments seem captivating. What paved the way to my liking of Roland de Lassus outstanding Laments of Jeremiah , this was my first introduction to this genre from this starting point I discover lost of interesting music, heart whelming, may I say soulful.

Why i like these genres, the music gently drones away for long time and are mezmerizing whit beautiful moments.

There usually slow pace I kinda like music  that is slow pace and long. But not for everyone, like I would expect a Mozart fan would hate there slow pace and lithurgic contents...

Both Laments & Magnificats demand the listener patience, chilling out, there like a fruit you slowly peal one of these exotic fruits whit heavy skin you ripped, take the dragon fruit I.e, this is not easy music to get into has it demand patience, each listen reveal something news, you did not witness so far.

I can wash the dishes and clean up my home listening to I.e  J.s Bach or whatever, and still focus on the music in the background, but Magnificats and Lamentations, I need my couch to rest and concentration to slowly analyse these patterns or the layers of vocal music.

In other words harder to love, but so amazing. Not really party music but does it mater. Yet there formulated or format for the patient listener.

And yes like I said previously If I listen to these type of music I most hear them all, thus said and meaning, it demand time, take this I.e for facts when I listen to Gombert's Magnificats, I go to hear them in chronological order both album on Tallis Scholars, just like I would do whit Pierre de la Rue, so when I listen to them i Need 2 full hours and no phone ringing or stuff that would ruin it all.

Instrumental music perhaps is less demanding for the brain I don't know, like I said I can listen to Telemann and still do shores at home whiteout ruining the music virtues.

Perhaps it's a perception I have. What your cue on this?

I hope people understand the point of this post and what I'm trying to says Laments and Magnificats demand passion & devotion?

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« Reply #3 on: Today at 01:34:04 AM »
I’m hoping to drag Carlo into the 20th Century. The best performance of this I’ve encountered was given at the funeral of Princess Diana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMrxJfvSnn8

Or if that’s too ‘modern’ this may touch the spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzOmPUu-F_M
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« Reply #4 on: Today at 01:40:06 AM »
I take it Carlo is talking about renaissance (and earlier) polyphony when he finds Magnificats dreamy. Suggest he tries Bach's Magnificat, that should wake him up.

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« Reply #5 on: Today at 01:50:00 AM »
I take it Carlo is talking about renaissance (and earlier) polyphony when he finds Magnificats dreamy. Suggest he tries Bach's Magnificat, that should wake him up.
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« Reply #6 on: Today at 01:55:27 AM »
Well here’s a good entry into heaven  - - -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We8YYyp8LLo

That is indeed very beautiful but the opening movement is rather more bracing.

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« Reply #7 on: Today at 01:57:44 AM »
That is indeed very beautiful but the opening movement is rather more bracing.
C’mon, we don’t want to frighten anyone.
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