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Offline Bogey

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The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« on: October 01, 2009, 07:03:04 PM »
I just picked up a neat 7 cd set of an overview of Szell's work with Cleveland, disc 7 being an interview disc with Szell. 

http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page/February%201998/36/746972/Celebrating+George+Szell+George+Szell+Centennial+Edition+Cleveland+Orchestra

What are three Szell's that you enjoy having on the shelf that I should unequivocally snap up should I see them in my used haunts, with or without Cleveland?
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2009, 08:14:53 PM »
Mozart PC 20 witn Serkin.
Haydn Symphonies 97 - 99
Strauss songs -- some of them (There's a Christmas Carol for instance which I like a lot)
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2009, 11:51:08 PM »
Tchaikovsky 4th with the LSO

Dvorak - Slavonic Dances

LvB Overtures
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2009, 02:41:40 AM »
I only have 3 Szell recordings, but I rate them all very highly

- Brahms PC #1 (with Curzon)
- Haydn symphonies 93-98    (especially 97, which I rate as the best ever recording of this work, and with 94 and 98 almost as good)
- Brahms Symphonies 1-4   (not everyone's top choice, but for me they are very satisfying).

I have seen good reviews of Mahler's 6th, and I expect Sarge to add it to this string very soon ....  :)
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2009, 03:01:13 AM »
Since I think Szell is one of the truly great conductors I can't think of anything I would not recommend. If you see Mozart, Haydn or Beethoven on the cover along with his name, snap it up. To restrict myself to just three (and leaving out the Mahler recordings because I know you're not yet a fan):



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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2009, 03:04:18 AM »
I have seen good reviews of Mahler's 6th, and I expect Sarge to add it to this string very soon ....  :)

Yes, if it were simply my three choices (not taking into consideration Bogey's taste), that Mahler 6th would be one of them  8)  Choosing between Curzon and Fleischer is tough but I went with my hometown band.

- Haydn symphonies 93-98    (especially 97, which I rate as the best ever recording of this work, and with 94 and 98 almost as good)

I like 93 best but have to confess that evaluation is based almost entirely on the quality of the bassoon fart, which is played more vulgarly and hilariously than on any other version of this symphony  ;D


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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2009, 03:15:07 AM »
   

Here are three really great purchases, also the Fleischer/Szell Brahms piano concertos are just as essential as the Beethoven set
I show above. The Dvorak set has great filler pieces.........
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2009, 03:18:19 AM »
Beethoven PCs with Fleisher
Sibelius Symphony #2
Tchaikovsky Symphony #5

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Edit: Dang beat to the punchline by DarkAngel.  Well that's a double rec for the Beethoven PCs then. :)

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 03:23:52 AM »
Sibelius Symphony #2

Are you recommending the Concertegebouw performance, or this one? Both are great but I think the live one with Cleveland is even better.

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the phone rings and somebody says,
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Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 03:31:39 AM »
Bruckner Symphony No 3

Walton Symphony No 2

Sibelius Symphony No 7
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 03:58:05 AM »
Cleveland Sarge! :)  Haven't heard the RCO recording.

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 04:10:45 AM »
You might want to update your Churchill quote .....   he actually said ....    "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with to no loss of enthusiasm" .   

Related to this, he also said "Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; It is the courage to continue that counts".

Another favourite is  "If you are going through Hell,   keep going!"     
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 01:39:57 PM »
I can't recommend this highly enough.Definitely in my all time top ten recordings.

This is great too.




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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2009, 05:38:14 AM »
Deserving of the title "must haves":



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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2009, 06:58:03 AM »
I can't recommend this highly enough.Definitely in my all time top ten recordings.

This is great too.

More great picks
Mahler 4 - this is my reference Mahler 4th among the 15+ versions I own, too bad Szell has very limited Mahler output
Brahms 1 - this is my reference Brahms 1st PC, my reference 1,2 PC set is the Fleisher/Szell/RCA
Mozart 35,40,41 -  haven't heard any modern instrument version by anyone that tops these
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2009, 07:13:19 AM »
Szell and Serkin -- sometimes the combination is great, sometimes it just doesn't work.

The Mozart PC 20 must be one of the best recordings of that uniquitous concerto.

But the PC19 is, I think, turgid and self conscious.

Serkin's much better in his recording of PC 19 with Abaddo -- so maybe it was Szell who was unreliable, not the pianist.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2009, 07:58:44 AM »


Though the Curzon is close, this has both concerti, and is one of those 'legendary' obvious choices for a 'favourites' list.




My favourite 41st, bar none.


And since I can't list the whole Beethoven cycle in good conscience as one 'recording':





P.S.: The Mahler 6th was an incredibly close call to make the top 3, but the above are the three I wouldn't want to be without.

Whereas in the Mahler 6th, I have Karajan, Bernstein, et al. to keep me company! ;D
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2009, 01:48:39 PM »
BBC Radio 3 years ago stated that they like his R Strauss Don Juan as the "best". What's your opinion on his Don Juan? Thanks.


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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2009, 02:07:22 PM »
BBC Radio 3 years ago stated that they like his R Strauss Don Juan as the "best". What's your opinion on his Don Juan? Thanks.

Thank you for reminding me of that one - it really is incredible! It's on the same disc as a Heldenleben, but not by Szell... Ormandy's?

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2009, 11:21:50 PM »
Thank you for reminding me of that one - it really is incredible! It's on the same disc as a Heldenleben, but not by Szell... Ormandy's?
It's also on Testament:



in a live recording.

BRAHMS Tragic Overture, Op.81 STRAUSS Don Juan, Op.20 SCHUMANN Symphony No. 2 in C, Op.61