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Offline MichaelRabin

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2009, 05:13:36 AM »
No - I don't think so. I think he rec it twice with the Cleveland. There is also a DSD version on the Don Juan. Very expensive.


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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2009, 05:25:33 AM »
No - I don't think so. I think he rec it twice with the Cleveland.

My discography of Cleveland recordings lists only one Don Juan conducted by Szell (March 1957). Maybe you've seen or heard a live version? He did record Till three times!

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2009, 02:48:15 PM »
Sorry - may have got that fact mixed up with Kempe or Reiner.

Anyway, how is that 1957 performance of Don Juan please?

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2009, 12:19:35 AM »
My favorites:

Haydn:    Symponhies 92, 93, 95, 97, 98        / Cleveland Orchestra

Prokofiev:     5th Symphony, Lieutenant Kige     / Cleveland Orchestra

Mahler:    4th Symphony   / Judith Raskin, Cleveland Orchestra

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2009, 06:14:01 AM »
Sibelius Symphony No 7
Where would you find that recording?

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2009, 06:41:53 AM »
Cannot use just 3!

His complete Schumann Symphonies with the Manfred Overture and a recording of major excerpts from Wagner's Ring operas come immediately to mind.

The latter was so well received at the time (late '60's, early 70's ?), that there was a great hope he would actually record all 4 operas: Solti and Karajan were the main competition then.
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2009, 01:34:26 AM »
....and a recording of major excerpts from Wagner's Ring operas come immediately to mind.
The latter was so well received at the time (late '60's, early 70's ?), that there was a great hope he would actually record all 4 operas

That Wagner CD was one of my choices too. A great pity Szell didn't record a Ring. Based on those bleeding chunks it would have been sensational. And it would have been carrying on a tradition started by Rodzinski who, during his tenure with the Cleveland Orchestra, performed many operas at Severance, including Meistersinger, Walküre, Parsifal and Tannhäuser. Götterdämmerung with Flagstad was going to open the 1936/37 season but several factors prevented that. You know Dohnányi wanted to record the Ring in Cleveland too. Only Rheingold and Walküre were done before the project was scrapped unfortunately.

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2009, 06:15:10 AM »
I like them all, but some that are peerless in my opinion are:

Strauss: Death and Transfiguration
Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis of Themes by Carl Maria von Weber coupled with Walton's Variations on A Theme by Hindemith
Mozart: Clarinet Concerto with Robert Marcellus as soloist

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2009, 06:49:16 PM »
That Wagner CD was one of my choices too. A great pity Szell didn't record a Ring. Based on those bleeding chunks it would have been sensational. And it would have been carrying on a tradition started by Rodzinski who, during his tenure with the Cleveland Orchestra, performed many operas at Severance, including Meistersinger, Walküre, Parsifal and Tannhäuser. Götterdämmerung with Flagstad was going to open the 1936/37 season but several factors prevented that. You know Dohnányi wanted to record the Ring in Cleveland too. Only Rheingold and Walküre were done before the project was scrapped unfortunately.

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Speaking of Wagner and Szell, see my latest listening post. :) 
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2009, 08:12:55 AM »
You know Dohnányi wanted to record the Ring in Cleveland too. Only Rheingold and Walküre were done before the project was scrapped unfortunately.

It's really too bad they couldn't finish the cycle. The playing is out of this world, with a tension and grip unlike any other I've heard in Wagner (yet flexible and full of color). Truly unique. I guess the budgetary ax took this one down but what's left is quite a teaser.
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2009, 11:52:46 PM »
You might want to update your Churchill quote .....   he actually said ....    "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with to no loss of enthusiasm" .   

Related to this, he also said "Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; It is the courage to continue that counts".

Another favourite is  "If you are going through Hell,   keep going!"     

Just spotted this - thanks - but I definitely saw it as 'courage' somewhere - and I prefer that anyway!
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2009, 08:32:51 AM »

I agree with Sarge on this one.  It is one of the most impassioned readings of the Sibelius ever, no doubt since Szell and the orchestra knew he was dying.  (Edit: that would be Szell who was dying, not Sibelius.  :D)

My other two probably would be...

Bartók: Concerto for Orchestra / Janáček: Sinfonietta (Cleveland Orchestra) - Love this recording, even though the Bartók is inexplicably slightly mutilated...

Prokofiev: Piano Concertos Nos. 1 and 3 (Gary Graffman/Cleveland Orchestra) - With a background of listening to Argerich in the Third Concerto, I finally heard Graffman and like him a lot.

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2009, 09:17:50 AM »
Most definitely Walton's 2nd Symphony with the Cleveland Orchestra. That is the dog's danglers.

I also love his Pastoral Symphony, especially the climax of the final movement which just soars and gives me the spine tingles every time.

And again with Beethoven, his 9th is my favourite.

Happily, all these recordings were/are available on Sony Essential Classics. The Walton might be hard to come by, but if you see it, snap it up!

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2010, 06:04:38 AM »
1) Tchaikovsky Sym 5 & Capriccio Italien
2) Beethoven PC 3 & 4 (Fleisher)
3) Dvorak Sym 7, 8 and 9 (2 CD)
4) Schumann Sym 1 to 4, Manfred (2 CD)

These are some CDs I am considering from MDT on sale. Do indicate which other Szell CDs that I should look for. Thanks.



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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2010, 06:41:30 AM »
These are some CDs I am considering from MDT on sale. Do indicate which other Szell CDs that I should look for. Thanks.

Buy everything he recorded. I'm not joking.  :)

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2010, 08:15:10 AM »
Buy everything he recorded. I'm not joking.  :)

Sarge

completely agree!  ;)

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2010, 03:57:34 AM »
Buy without any reason? Common - give me some solid musical reasons please.

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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2010, 06:25:07 AM »
Buy without any reason? Common - give me some solid musical reasons please.

Easy: because just about any Szell Sony disc will offer a top-notch performance.
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2010, 06:30:56 AM »
Easy: because just about any Szell Sony disc will offer a top-notch performance.

But, errrrr, some of those discs are in terrible sound, a reason in and of itself not to pick them up.
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Re: The Art of George Szell (György Széll)
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2010, 06:55:21 AM »
But, errrrr, some of those discs are in terrible sound, a reason in and of itself not to pick them up.

You don't buy Szell discs (or Toscanini, Fürtwängler, Walter or Columbia/Sony Bernstein) expecting state of the art recording. If you must have that, then yes, look elsewhere. If you want superb interpretations and orchestral execution second to none, then you gobble up every Szell/Cleveland disc you can find. By the way, I've never heard a Szell recording (other than a few pirates) that sounded "terrible." Those Columbia recordings, even from the 50s, even in mono, are okay to very good; the ear quickly adjusts even to the poorest sounding discs.

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