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Re: James Levine
« Reply #260 on: December 07, 2017, 01:45:10 PM »
All good examples. I would add Alan Gilbert and Kent Nagano.

Absolutely. And while Nagano has technical issues, I'd rank him well above the technically more accomplished Alsop and Slatkin. But his career's been mostly European/Canadian. And Alan Gilbert I've come to think the world of! Wonderful programmer and excellent conductor and superb rehearser. He's probably my American No.1; Robertson having slipped a little, because he never got the big move while he was still really hot. And now he's a tad on the seasoned side.

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Re: James Levine
« Reply #261 on: December 07, 2017, 01:49:39 PM »
Nagano's contract in Montreal will not be renewed, ending sometime in 2018 IIRC. He'll be free, but not quite: he still has lots of stuff going on in Europe.

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Re: James Levine
« Reply #262 on: December 07, 2017, 01:51:05 PM »
I suppose my query is (and if this obviously comes from a composer in a broadly similar situation, I apologize in advance) where do the American conductors who want to "come up the ranks" go?

Top positions at smaller orchestras and/or assistant positions. For most, the going will be slower than it was for Nelsons, but that’s true for Latvians too.

Regardless of nationality, I would like to see an end to the preference for ultra-established conductors that had U.S. orchestras seemingly trading the likes of Muti and Maazel among themselves — or bringing in Levine.

AFAICT there are fewer formal positions for composers which makes it tougher. No apology necessary anyway.
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Re: James Levine
« Reply #263 on: December 07, 2017, 02:55:44 PM »
Robertson having slipped a little, because he never got the big move while he was still really hot. And now he's a tad on the seasoned side.

I haven’t heard his work, but I’ve heard good things about him. For a while, the big American orchestras mostly wanted the usual suspects from the heyday of recording, now they want youngsters. There was an entire generation that was mostly bypassed (with a few exceptions — Salonen, Welser-Möst, Van Zweden). If “a tad on the seasoned side” is his biggest flaw then I hope he gets a shot.

Same for Spano.

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Re: James Levine
« Reply #264 on: December 08, 2017, 05:36:58 AM »
AFAICT there are fewer formal positions for composers which makes it tougher.

Aye.  Part of that problem, too, is an environment in which Levine and Dudamel are paid as if they were the CEO of an S&P 500 company.
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Re: James Levine
« Reply #265 on: December 09, 2017, 07:47:39 AM »
What do you do, . . . for . . . mature adults. It has got to suck. ... but if that's your inclination, you really have to kill something within you -- and totally, not just mostly. For all the overdue empathy for all the victims, I have to say: I do feel for the perps in some of these cases.



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Re: NYT Reports Levine Accusation
« Reply #266 on: December 11, 2017, 08:34:52 AM »
...snip....I don’t think that artists are generally good people. Mostly they are assholes and their primary value is the scrawls they put on the page. ....snip

Wow.
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« Reply #267 on: December 11, 2017, 08:38:56 AM »
...snip....Anyway, at the end of the day, for me, the beauty of art triumphs over anything that happens on this earth.

^^^ This.
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Re: James Levine
« Reply #268 on: December 11, 2017, 09:32:42 AM »
Wow.

Aye. Another post for me not to take personally  8)
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« Reply #269 on: December 11, 2017, 10:42:37 AM »
Aye. Another post for me not to take personally  8)

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Re: James Levine
« Reply #270 on: December 11, 2017, 09:28:27 PM »
Shouldn't we be discussing James Levine?  He is all over the news (at least in the U.S.) now.
You mean that he is cleared .

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Re: James Levine
« Reply #271 on: December 12, 2017, 08:35:48 AM »
You mean that he is cleared .

“Will not face criminal charges” is not the same thing as “cleared.”

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Re: James Levine
« Reply #272 on: December 12, 2017, 08:47:35 AM »
“Will not face criminal charges” is not the same thing as “cleared.”

Indeed. The investigation is still pending.
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Re: NYT Reports Levine Accusation
« Reply #273 on: Today at 12:20:06 PM »
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...snip....I don’t think that artists are generally good people. Mostly they are assholes and their primary value is the scrawls they put on the page. ....snip

Wow.

The claim is not that being an artist makes you a bad person, but that creating a beautiful work of art is not evidence that the artist is a good person. Those who attain positions of great prestige, such as Levine, often owe their success to Machiavellian maneuvering as much as to talent.



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