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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #140 on: February 14, 2013, 02:08:04 PM »
I tried making a list, but I can't even get it under 50.   

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« Reply #141 on: September 24, 2013, 10:31:44 AM »
To take Octave's suggestion, and in light of the BBC Top 50 recordings, perhaps GMG members would like to list their Top 50 favourite recordings in their own collection?  Just a thought, and I will put some thought into coming up with mine.  ;D
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« Reply #142 on: September 24, 2013, 09:36:08 PM »
To take Octave's suggestion, and in light of the BBC Top 50 recordings, perhaps GMG members would like to list their Top 50 favourite recordings in their own collection?  Just a thought, and I will put some thought into coming up with mine.  ;D
I'm starting to think about mine.

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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #143 on: September 24, 2013, 10:55:06 PM »
Is it bad form to allow for excess of 50 items?  I realize a limit like that means making tough choices, which can be useful; but since any number will be arbitrary, I don't see why more leeway might not be granted.  I'd just hate to see someone pitch in the towel because 50 is too low a number and cannot be worked with.  Even ~150 is barely a "Noah's Ark" allowance, even for conservative "core"/canon type repertoire.

I still think the value of said lists includes 1.) antidote/riposte to Official Organs and their Lists (a constructive retort to authority, with pluralism the upshot); 2.) super useful to novices like me with limited time and coin; 3.) an opportunity for stocktaking and maybe even re-evaluation on the part of listmakers.  #2 is the most important, the others are bonus.

A little rule-bending might not be such a bad thing here; I have really benefited from these lists, not least because I can hunt down the recordings in question---just on GMG---and usually find spirited debates about their value compared to other performances.  It almost doesn't matter which recordings I end up getting, because I learn so much about the pieces in question.  Some I *gasp* even end up looking at scores.  Pretty, pretty dots...
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #144 on: September 24, 2013, 11:33:12 PM »
Is it bad form to allow for excess of 50 items?  I realize a limit like that means making tough choices, which can be useful; but since any number will be arbitrary, I don't see why more leeway might not be granted.  I'd just hate to see someone pitch in the towel because 50 is too low a number and cannot be worked with.  Even ~150 is barely a "Noah's Ark" allowance, even for conservative "core"/canon type repertoire.

I still think the value of said lists includes 1.) antidote/riposte to Official Organs and their Lists (a constructive retort to authority, with pluralism the upshot); 2.) super useful to novices like me with limited time and coin; 3.) an opportunity for stocktaking and maybe even re-evaluation on the part of listmakers.  #2 is the most important, the others are bonus.

A little rule-bending might not be such a bad thing here; I have really benefited from these lists, not least because I can hunt down the recordings in question---just on GMG---and usually find spirited debates about their value compared to other performances.  It almost doesn't matter which recordings I end up getting, because I learn so much about the pieces in question.  Some I *gasp* even end up looking at scores.  Pretty, pretty dots...
It was originally 25 items, so I think 50 is more than reasonable. The no box sets rule I sort of understand - nobody is going to listen to Berglund & Haendel's recording of the Britten VC just because I list the 37 CD EMI Collector's Edition here - but since a great deal of my favourites are in these boxes, I really don't like making a list that leaves those out.
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #145 on: September 25, 2013, 03:52:17 AM »
Is it bad form to allow for excess of 50 items?

Heck, this thread started out with a limit of 25; some will point out that 50 is already excess  8)

It was originally 25 items, so I think 50 is more than reasonable.

I should have counted on you to hit this first, Karlo:)
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #146 on: September 25, 2013, 04:01:03 AM »
Heck, this thread started out with a limit of 25; some will point out that 50 is already excess  8)

I should have counted on you to hit this first, Karlo:)
And of course I can't manage to trim it down to 50 now :D
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #147 on: September 25, 2013, 01:18:35 PM »
My list ended up being less about my favorites and more about a wide variety of selections that might get a beginner off to a good start. Some are my favorites, some are "essentials," some I chose largely for pairings, some I chose for accessibility (good for toe-dipping).

Nothing's older than Baroque—oh well.

I tried to represent several different broad genres (symphonic, chamber, piano, vocal) with strategic picks. Also, there are almost no box sets here. The Bach is 3 CDs, the Brahms is 4 CDs, the Ravel is 3. [Edit: Obviously the Ring Cycle is a box set.] I'm feeling pretty good about this overall.



1. Bach: Brandenburg Concertos & Orchestral Suites (Pinnock: English Concert)
2. Bartók: Concerto for Orchestra & Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta (Karajan: Berlin Philharmonic)
3. Beethoven: Symphonies 5 & 7 (Kleiber: Vienna Philharmonic)
4. Beethoven: "Waldstein," "Les Adieux," & "Appassionata" Piano Sonatas (Gilels)
5. Berlioz: Harold en Italie & Les Nuits d'Été (Tamestit, von Otter, Minkowski: Les Musiciens du Louvre - Grenoble)

6. Brahms: Piano Concertos, Ballades Op. 10, Waltzes Op. 39, Piano Pieces Opp. 116-119 (Kovacevich; Davis: London Symphony Orchestra)
7. Bruckner/Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 "Romantic"; Ritt und Sonnenaufgang (Jochum: Berlin Philharmonic)
8. Chopin: Nocturnes (Moravec)
9. Debussy: Préludes (Michelangeli)
10. Dvořák/Franck: Piano Quintets (Curzon, Vienna Philharmonic Quartet)

11. Glass: Glassworks
12. Handel: Messiah (Butt: Dunedin Consort & Players)
13. Haydn: String Quartets Op. 76 (Kodály Quartet)
14. Mahler: Symphony No. 1 & Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen (Kubelik: Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra; Fischer-Dieskau)
15. Mendelssohn/Tchaikovsky: Violin Concertos (Stern; Ormandy: Philadelphia Orchestra)

16. Mozart: Don Giovanni (Giulini: Philharmonia Chorus and Orchestra)
17. Ravel: Complete Orchestral Works (Abbado: London Symphony Orchestra)
18. Saint-Saëns/Dukas: "Organ" Symphony, Sorcerer's Apprentice (Levine: Berlin Philharmonic)
19. Schubert: Winterreise (Fischer-Dieskau, Demus)
20. Schumann: Carnaval, Fantasiestücke, etc. (Artur Rubinstein: Rubinstein Collection, Vol. 51)

21. Shostakovich/Tchaikovsky: Piano Trios (Argerich/Kremer/Maisky)
22. Stravinsky/Prokofiev/Webern/Boulez: Piano Works (Pollini)
23. Vaughan Williams: Fantasia on Greensleeves, The Lark Ascending, Tallis Fantasia, etc. (Marriner, Boult, Wordsworth)
24. Verdi: Requiem, 4 Sacred Pieces (Gardiner: ORR & Monteverdi Choir)
25. Wagner: Ring Cycle (Solti: Vienna Philharmonic)
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #148 on: September 25, 2013, 03:25:38 PM »
My list ended up being less about my favorites and more about a wide variety of selections that might get a beginner off to a good start.

In that spirit, here's an old listmania list of mine:

http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Entry-Points/lm/R30BGC6G3KITN2/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_title_full

I need to update that to reflect more available recordings.

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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #149 on: October 05, 2013, 04:19:26 AM »
Update

Bach - WTC - Samuel Feinberg - Russian Compact Disc - Talents of Russia
Bach - Cello Suites  -Wispelwey - Channel Classics
Bach - Sonatas for Violin and Harpsichord - Carmignola/Marcon
Haydn - Piano Sonatas - Brendel/Philips, Richter/Decca
Haydn - String Quartets - Tatrai - Hungaroton
Mozart - Symphonies 21-41 - Krips/Concertgebouw - Decca
Mozart - Piano Concertos - Serkin, Casadesus, Haskil
Mozart - Violin Sonatas - Grumiaux/Haskil - Philips
Schubert - Symphonies - Harnoncourt/Concertgebouw - Teldec
Schubert - Piano Sonatas - Richter (various labels)
Schubert - Impromptus - Pires - DG
Beethoven - 9 Symphonies - Wand/RCA, Barenboim/Warner
Beethoven - Piano Concertos - Serkin/Kubelik - Orfeo
Beethoven - 32 Piano Sonatas - Annie Fischer/Hungaroton, Gulda (Amadeo/Brilliant)
Beethoven - String Quartets - Vegh stereo - Naive
Chopin - Nocturnes - Arrau - Philips
Chopin - Preludes - Sokolov/Naive, Moravec (Supraphon)
Chopin - Ballades - Tipo/live/Ermitage, Moravec/Supraphon
Brahms - Late solo works - Gould/Sony, Lupu/Decca
Brahms - Piano Concertos - Barenboim/Barbirolli - EMI
Rachmaninoff - PC 1 - Janis/Kondrashin - Mercury
Rachmaninoff - PC 2 - Richter/Wislocki - DG (original mastering, paired with Prokofiev PC 5)
Rachmaninoff - PC 3 - Janis/Dorati - Mercury
Rachmaninoff - PC 4 - Wild/Horenstein - Chesky
Rachmaninoff - Paganini Rhapsody - Rudy/Jansons - EMI
Rachmaninoff - Preludes - Ashkenazy - Decca
Scriabin - Sonatas - Ashkenazy - Decca
Debussy - Preludes - Michelangeli/DG or Arrau/Philips
Satie - Piano Works - Thibaudet/Decca
Poulenc - Piano Works - Tacchino/EMI
Poulenc - Chamber Works - Tharaud - Naxos
Faure - Piano Music - Collard - Brilliant
Sibelius - Symphonies - Ashkenazy - Decca
Bartok - Hungarian QT - DG
Bruckner - Celibidache EMI set
Prokofiev - Symphony 3 - Muti - Philips
Shostakovich - Symphonies - Kondrashin/Melodiya, Rohdestvensky/Melodiya, Mravinsky (various labels)
Shostakovich - String Quartets - Borodin Chandos
Schoenberg - String Quartets - Arditti - Sony
Shoenberg, Berg, Webern - Orchestral Works - Karajan - DG
Ligeti - String Quartets - Arditti -Sony

Josef Hofmann - The Complete Josef Hofmann Vol. 6, The Casimir Recital - Marston Records
Moritz Rosenthal - The Complete Recordings - APR
Cortot - The Anniversary Edition Box - EMI
Moiseiwitsch - Volumes 1-13 in Naxos Historical's Great Pianist series

Richter - Rachmaninoff Preludes and Etudes - Olympia/Regis
Natan Brand - Schumann and Chopin - Studio Recordings on BNL

Bruno Walter - The Edition -Sony
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #150 on: December 17, 2013, 12:08:59 AM »
Here's a partial list and some background on my reasons:

My neice and her husband announced last Christmas that they had become interested in classical music and were now regularly attending concerts of the Buffalo Philharmonic (they live in suburban Amherst).  I immediately gave them a sizable number of duplicates I already had, including my complete Toscanini collection, since I had just purchased the RCA complete Toscanini box.  This Christmas, I decided that they are getting a good education in orchestral music from those and from the concerts, so I decided to give them only chamber music, to help them round out a little.  Here's what I gave them:

Haydn:Complete String Quartets--Angeles Quartet
Dvorak: Complete String Quartets--Panocha Quartet
Shostokovich: Complete String Quartets, Piano Trio, and Piano Quintet--St. Petersburg String Quartet

Another thing I would suggest is that early on in one's collecting experience, one should learn that different conductors interpret things in different ways.  To help drive this point home, I suggest five complete sets of the Beethoven symphonies.  In order of original release, my five favorites are Furtwangler, Toscanini, Szell, Solti, and Gardiner.
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #151 on: December 17, 2013, 05:39:04 AM »
Dvorak: Complete String Quartets--Panocha Quartet

That would be on mine also.  A great set.
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« Reply #152 on: December 17, 2013, 06:55:59 AM »
Another thing I would suggest is that early on in one's collecting experience, one should learn that different conductors interpret things in different ways.  To help drive this point home, I suggest five complete sets of the Beethoven symphonies.  In order of original release, my five favorites are Furtwangler, Toscanini, Szell, Solti, and Gardiner.

Which Solti set—'70s or '90s?

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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #153 on: February 07, 2014, 06:35:20 AM »
To take Octave's suggestion, and in light of the BBC Top 50 recordings, perhaps GMG members would like to list their Top 50 favourite recordings in their own collection?  Just a thought, and I will put some thought into coming up with mine.  ;D

With 50 items, this list could obviously look somewhat different tomorrow, but I'd be happy with these - as happy as I could be with such a measly number of discs, anyway.

Alkan - Etudes in the minor keys (Gibbons)
Argerich & Pletnev - Ravel Ma mère l'oye & Prokofiev Cinderella suite
Bach - Bach: Famous Cantatas Vol. 1 (Herreweghe & Collegium Vocale Gent, HM)
Bartók - complete solo piano music (Kocsis)
Bartók - Boulez DGG box

Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 (Herreweghe, HM)
Beethoven - Late Sonatas (Penelope Crawford, Musica Omnia)
Berg Collection (DGG)
Berlioz - Colin Davis (LSO Live)
Brahms - Symphonies (Rattle & BPO)

Britten - Serenade, Nocturne, Les Illuminations - Bostridge & Rattle
Bruckner - Symphonies no. 7 (Chailly & Berlin RSO)
Chopin - Mazurkas (Luisada, RCA)
Debussy - Solo Piano Works (Crossley)
Debussy - Orchestral works - Martinon (EMI/Brilliant)

Dowland - Lachrimae (The Parley of Instruments, Hyperion)
Elgar - Symphonies nos. 1 & 2, Falstaff, The Music Makers, etc (Andrew Davis & BBCSO)
Hartmann  - Symphonies (Wergo)
Haydn - String Quartets, Op. 76 - Quatuor Mosaïques
Ives - New England Holidays (MTT & CSO)

Ives - An American Journey (MTT)
Janacek - Cunning Little Vixen (Neumann, Supraphon)
Janacek - Sinfonietta, Violin Concerto, Taras Bulba
Mahler Symphony No. 2, Kurtág Stele, Schönberg Kol Nidre (Gielen & SWR)
Mahler Symphony No. 5 - Chailly & RCO

Mahler DLvdE - Ludwig, Wunderlich & Klemperer (EMI)
Martinu - Chamber Music (Dartington Ensemble)
Monteverdi - Vespro della Beata Vergine (Concerto Italiano)
Mompou - Musica Callada (Perianes, HM)
Mozart - The Last Concertos (Freiburger Barockorchester, HM)

Mozart - Le Nozze di Figaro (Jacobs, HM)
Mussorgsky-Ravel Pictures / Tchaikovsky 4th (Sokhiev & Toulouse, naïve)
Nielsen - Symphonies & Orchestral Music (Schønwandt, Dausgaard, Dacapo)
Pärt - Tabula Rasa (ECM)
Prokofiev - Solo piano works (Raekallio, Ondine)

Prokofiev - Piano Concertos (Béroff, Masur)   
Rakhmaninov - All-Night Vigil (Hillier, HM)
Ravel - Decca Complete Edition
Satie - Socrate, melodies (Music Projects/London)
Schnittke - Choir Concerto, Requiem (Hymnia Chamber Choir)

Schubert - String Quintet, String Quartets nos. 14 & 15 (Belcea SQ, EMI)
Schubert - Late Piano Works (Pollini)
Schumann - Complete Solo Piano Music (Le Sage, alpha)
Shostakovich - Symphonies (Jansons, EMI)
Shostakovich - String Quartets (Emerson)

Sibelius - Symphonies & Tone Poems (Järvi & Gothenburg)
Stravinsky - Boulez DGG box
Szymanowski - Rattle EMI box
Varèse - Boulez (Sony)
Villa-Lobos - Choros, Bachianas & Solo guitar (BIS)§
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #154 on: February 27, 2014, 09:21:05 AM »
We're talking recordings here not pieces, so ... None. There's always a better recording yet to be made or found.

But the last 2 to go would Karajan Sibelius 7 on DG and Virgil Thomson's 1947 Four Saints in Three Acts.

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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #155 on: February 27, 2014, 10:38:47 AM »
We're talking recordings here not pieces, so ... None.

Oh . . . I think it took it largely as pieces, but you may well be right.
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« Reply #156 on: February 27, 2014, 11:11:29 AM »
Lin - Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues
Lortie - Chopin and Mozart
Enescu - Bach's Violin Sonatas
Berezovsky - Liszt's Transcendental Etudes
Gould - Berg and Beethoven/Liszt
Kuerti - Scriabin
Maazel/WP - Mahler Symphony No. 1
Khittuk - Saint Lubin
Cortot - Can't go wrong
Kocsis - Bach's The Art of Fugue
Jarrett - Handel's Keyboard Sonatas
Chausson - Can't go wrong
Dalberto - Schumann

Etc.

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« Reply #157 on: February 27, 2014, 11:15:43 AM »
Lin - Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues
Lortie - Chopin and Mozart
Enescu - Bach's Violin Sonatas
Berezovsky - Liszt's Transcendental Etudes
Gould - Berg and Beethoven/Liszt
Kuerti - Scriabin
Maazel/WP - Mahler Symphony No. 1
Khittuk - Saint Lubin
Cortot - Can't go wrong
Kocsis - Bach's The Art of Fugue
Jarrett - Handel's Keyboard Sonatas
Chausson - Can't go wrong
Dalberto - Schumann

Etc.
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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #158 on: February 27, 2014, 06:02:57 PM »
Cortot - Can't go wrong

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Re: GMG Members' Personal Essentials Lists
« Reply #159 on: July 16, 2014, 06:18:35 AM »
25 titles
5 box sets

Let me take a stab at the official list - I do not claim to have appreciated any these recordings, let alone all of them - these are just my first-draft sense is of the approximately official (democratically averaging out the opinions of the cognoscenti) top 25: 


- Bach: Brandenburg Concertos - Richter
- Bach: Goldberg Variations - Gould 1981
- Bach: Mass in B minor - Richter 1962
- Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra, etc. - Reiner 1955, 1958
- Beethoven: Piano Sonatas - Kempff (stereo)

- Beethoven: String Quartets - Alban Berg Quartet 
- Beethoven: Symphonies - Karajan '63
- Beethoven: Symphonies 5 & 7 - Kleiber
- Brahms: A German Requiem - Klemperer
- Britten: War Requiem - Britten

- Elgar: Cello Concerto, Sea Pictures - Du Pre, Baker, Barbirolli
- Handel: Messiah - Beecham
- Haydn: String Quartets - Quatuor Mosaiques
- Mahler: Symphony #1 - Kubelik 1967
- Mozart: Don Giovanni - Giulini

- Mozart: The Marriage of Figaro - Solti
- Mozart: Piano Concertos - Brendel, Marriner
- Puccini: Tosca - Callas, Sabata 1953 
- Puccini: Turandot - Sutherland, Mehta
- Schubert: Trout Quintet, String Quartet #13 - Gilels & Amadeus Quartet

- Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff: Piano Concertos - Van Cliburn
- Tchaikovsky: Symphonies 4-6 - Mravinsky
- Verdi: La Traviata - Callas, Giulini 1955
- Wagner: The Ring of the Nibelungs - Solti
- Wagner: Tristan und Isolde - Bohm


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