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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2015, 10:14:58 PM »
Some interesting comments by Ronald E. Grames in the last Fanfare about a disc with his Clarinet Concerto



Thanks very much for posting this. I think that it is a brilliant description of Nordgren's symphonies. Certainly my attention was gripped throughout symphonies 7 and 8.

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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2015, 08:27:22 AM »
whew- first I must still get the Sallinen Box... Nordgren really tempts... sooo expensive...

... what's the Big One here? Where do I start?...

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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2015, 12:33:28 PM »
whew- first I must still get the Sallinen Box... Nordgren really tempts... sooo expensive...

... what's the Big One here? Where do I start?...

(goes back to Amazon)

Try Symphony 7.
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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2015, 01:18:51 PM »

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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2015, 09:02:33 AM »
Try Symphony 7.

Interesting, but I'm not too keen on mixing the Abstract and the Folk (almost got some Copland there?)k. The Clarinet Concerto's samples, however, really impressed me.

I'm thinking I'd probably rather like his '70s works...
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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2015, 09:18:44 AM »
I should probably hear more Nordgren. I think I've only heard Rock Score so far, live (Kangas conducting Oulu SO in 2011)

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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2015, 10:28:30 AM »
Interesting, but I'm not too keen on mixing the Abstract and the Folk (almost got some Copland there?)k. The Clarinet Concerto's samples, however, really impressed me.

I'm thinking I'd probably rather like his '70s works...

Fair enough.  :)
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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2015, 11:07:17 PM »
Fair enough.  :)

Do you have the Ondine disc with 4 and 5?
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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2015, 11:57:20 PM »
Do you have the Ondine disc with 4 and 5?

Yes, must listen to it again.
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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2015, 01:10:32 AM »
I should probably hear more Nordgren. I think I've only heard Rock Score so far, live (Kangas conducting Oulu SO in 2011)


My only exposure have been this, which I find very intriguing, som I've ordered the Alba disc with symphonies 7&8.


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« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2015, 02:37:54 AM »
My only exposure have been this, which I find very intriguing, som I've ordered the Alba disc with symphonies 7&8.



Will be very interested to hear your views on the Alba disc, I'm listening to it now. The 7th starts in the spirit of Rautavaara but then moves off into a darker realm.
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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2015, 02:41:25 AM »
When it arrives, I will.....

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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2015, 04:58:52 PM »
Yes, must listen to it again.

Time's up! Report due on Monday!!

When it arrives, I will.....

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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2015, 12:33:57 AM »
Time's up! Report due on Monday!!



Very good Sir - as long as I can find the CD   ::)

I have no system for the 1000s of CDs - it is chaotic - a microcosm of my life.  ???
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« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2015, 05:31:06 AM »
Very good Sir - as long as I can find the CD   ::)

I have no system for the 1000s of CDs - it is chaotic - a microcosm of my life.  ???

A good system helps a lot. I am storing my CDs countrywise, British symphonies, Finnish symphonies and alphabetically within each country. For me that system works very well. :)

Anyway, I am happy to see that there is a Nordgren thread here. I did one in another forum .... and was the only contributor. :(

Those last two string quartets I cherish a lot. And many symphonies as well. I believe I have all, but listened to most them only twice.
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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2015, 08:40:03 AM »
A good system helps a lot. I am storing my CDs countrywise, British symphonies, Finnish symphonies and alphabetically within each country. For me that system works very well. :)

Anyway, I am happy to see that there is a Nordgren thread here. I did one in another forum .... and was the only contributor. :(

Those last two string quartets I cherish a lot. And many symphonies as well. I believe I have all, but listened to most them only twice.
Sounds like a good plan. Sometimes I've thought of organising them by record label, so that the EMI section would all be red and the DGG yellow etc. I recall a record shop (Imhoffs) in London in my youth that organised the LPs like that and I rather liked it.
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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2015, 08:51:13 AM »
Yes, must listen to it again.
Actually the CD has symphonies 3 and 5 on rather than 4 and 5. The conductor is Sakari Oramo who coincidentally I saw conduct Mahler's Third Symphony in London last night. I have ever seen him before. I had forgotten that I had started this thread, albeit confusing Nordgren with a different composer  ::).
My impressions of the music, which I enjoyed, if that is the right word are very much the same as in my initial post in this thread. It is very dark and sombre but my attention was held throughout. The 3rd Symphony has two movements for piano only and quite a 'jazzy' movement entitled 'defiance'. The music is resolutely bleak but not unapproachable. It reminded me a bit of Norgard and Petterrson. Mahler and Sibelius tend to be seen as polar opposites in their approach to the symphony but at timed Nordgren reminded me of both although his music does not sound like either. There is, I believe, a strong sense of nature in both scores. The Fifth symphony has a most haunting and moving passage after about 18 minutes which I found moving. So, the music has both an intellectual and emotional appeal as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2015, 08:58:17 AM »
Sounds like a good plan. Sometimes I've thought of organising them by record label, so that the EMI section would all be red and the DGG yellow etc. I recall a record shop (Imhoffs) in London in my youth that organised the LPs like that and I rather liked it.
The problem with that system is that you really have to remember on which label it was. I often mix up whether something is on Chandos or Hyperion,  Ondine or Alba... The  advantage is of course that it looks orderly. But years ago a person collecting and reading books told me that you can discriminate the collector who just wants to impress from the one who really cares by whether the books are sorted by publisher or author. ;).
Anyway, I store my CDs without jewel cases (I have to since there are too many) in soft bags and boxes (like they still do in record stores with LPs) so I do not see the label.

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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2015, 09:08:52 AM »
Has anyone listened to this one, that was my first contact with Nordgren's symphonies.


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Re: Pehr Henrik Nordgren 1944-2008
« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2015, 12:07:26 PM »
Has anyone listened to this one, that was my first contact with Nordgren's symphonies.


That looks like a great disc and Symphony 4 sounds very interesting according to a review on Amazon. Unfortunately the CD is too expensive for me so I will stick to symphonies 3 and 5 for the time being.
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