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Because I am not smart enough to find a more general thread with the search engine, I am responding here but want to widen the topic to any composers at any time.

What were great composer's favorite composers (and maybe also bêtes noires although for musical invectives there is probably another topic already)?
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For Brahms, Beethoven (of course) and later on, Bach.

Berlioz and Mendelssohn were great fans of Gluck.

Hindemith and Sibelius both found rich inspiration in Haydn.

Stravinsky's highest praise, perhaps, went to Tchaikovsky.  Of course, he called Pierrot lunaire "the solar plexus of 20th-c. music," before there came to be a Schoenberg-VS.-Stravinsky polarization.
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Stravinsky's highest praise, perhaps, went to Tchaikovsky.  Of course, he called Pierrot lunaire "the solar plexus of 20th-c. music," before there came to be a Schoenberg-VS.-Stravinsky polarization.

Stravinsky did, indeed, praise Schoenberg’s Pierrot Lunaire, but he was quite critical of the vocal writing.
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JS Bach: probably Buxtehude or Böhm but he had a wide range in his library, including Handel, was a friend of Telemann (who was godfather of Philipp Emanuel) and he even arranged Pergolesi
Haydn: CPE Bach, Mozart and maybe Handel
Mozart: JS Bach and Handel
Beethoven: Mozart, Handel, Bach
Schubert: Beethoven, probably also Mozart
Berlioz: Gluck, Cherubini, Beethoven
Mendelssohn: Bach
Chopin: Bellini, Hummel
Schumann: probably Schubert and Chopin
Liszt: probably Beethoven and Schubert
Wagner: Wagner
Brahms: Bach, Schubert, Beethoven, he also spoke well of Dvorak
Bruckner: Wagner
Dvorak: Schubert
Tchaikovsky: Mozart, Delibes

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Schumann had a periodic Beethoven obsession which manifested as either criticism or despondent praise, depending on how he was feeling. That said, the composers he venerated above all others were Schubert and Mendelssohn. Also, early in life he was a great fan of Hummel, but this obsession faded after Hummel refused to take him on as a student.

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Tchaikovsky: Mozart

Yep. :)

[...] Mozart I love as a musical Christ. Besides, he lived almost like Christ did. I think there is nothing sacrilegious in such a comparison. Mozart was a being so angelical and child-like in his purity, his music is so full of unattainably divine beauty, that if there is someone whom one can mention with the same breath as Christ, then it is he. […] It is my profound conviction that Mozart is the highest, the culminating point which beauty has reached in the sphere of music. Nobody has made me cry and thrill with joy, sensing my proximity to something that we call the ideal, in the way that he has [...] - Tchaikovsky

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Grieg also: Mozart

In Bach, Beethoven and Wagner we admire principally the depth and energy of the human mind; in Mozart, the divine instinct.

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Wagner: Wagner


Now, this is the first that comes to mind  :D
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In 1841, while living in Paris, Wagner penned the following remarkable and fervent artistic Credo:

"I believe in God, Mozart and Beethoven, and also in their disciples and apostles.
I believe in the Holy Ghost and in the truth of the invisible Art."
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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2017, 07:49:38 AM »
In 1841, while living in Paris, Wagner penned the following remarkable and fervent artistic Credo:

"I believe in God, Mozart and Beethoven, and also in their disciples and apostles.
I believe in the Holy Ghost and in the truth of the invisible Art."


Self-serving smugness.  ;D
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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2017, 09:32:47 AM »
I wouldn't call any of these "leading composers" in any sense of the word, though I see Turnage as having some understandable value amongst the Brits. We'll say 1 for 5. As for the folks they're talking about, I'm right there with them. 5 for 5. :)

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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2017, 07:43:51 PM »
I read a while ago somewhere that Magnus Lindberg's favorite piece of the last 50 years was Henri Dutilleux’s cello concerto, Tout un monde lointain.

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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2017, 07:46:33 PM »
Ravel always spoke highly of Debussy throughout his compositional life even when they had a falling out with each other.
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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2017, 09:34:36 AM »
I wouldn't call any of these "leading composers" in any sense of the word, though I see Turnage as having some understandable value amongst the Brits. We'll say 1 for 5. As for the folks they're talking about, I'm right there with them. 5 for 5. :)

I imagine if a similar article had been done interviewing 'leading American Composers,' their responses would not have been a list of nearly naught but other American composers.

I'm afraid the 'older nations' tend to be much more jingoist in their tastes, or loyalties.  Us yanks have such a brief history, including an even briefer significant classical music history, the tendency is to look further, all around, and not think so readily and first of home boys only.  (Not that there is anything exactly wrong about tooting one's own horn or promoting one's own culture, but, just sayin)'
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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2017, 10:20:58 AM »
Brahms: Bach, Schubert, Beethoven, he also spoke well of Dvorak
Among his peers in time, Brahms' favorites, as far as I recall, included Dvorak and Johann Strauss Jr.

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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2017, 05:01:49 PM »
Chopin: Mozart

But closer together, Rachmaninoff: Medtner (and vice-versa).
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2017, 07:40:52 PM »
Chopin: Mozart
  Chopin: Mozart & J.S. Bach

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Bartok:  early works show big influence from R. Strauss (and via Strauss, Wagner ~ the opening of The Wooden Prince.)

Beethoven.  Bartok, as pianist, was a well admired and renown interpreter of Beethoven.  The Luigi influence, as model, is plain in the string quartets and the 2nd piano concerto, middle movement.
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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2017, 07:53:41 PM »
Mahler: Beethoven, Wagner, Mozart, Bach (roughly in that order); of his immediate peers he admired Strauss and Debussy most, but had reservations about both.

Schoenberg: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Brahms, Wagner, Mahler; he also professed guarded admiration for Debussy, Reger, and Stravinsky (sometimes)

Takemitsu: Debussy, Messiaen, Cage

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Re: The artist's artist. Five leading composers choose their favorite peer
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2017, 07:55:51 PM »
Xenakis: Stravinsky, Varese and Messiaen (with sprinklings of Bach and Webern)  8)
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