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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #600 on: January 25, 2012, 06:16:39 AM »
WTF happened to my shopping cart, Abeille Musique?!!! >:(

Here's a bad experience even before I made a purchase: The carefully selected list of items that had been part of my cart for the past few days had vanished when I checked earlier in the day. Without logging in I was scouring their lists (for the umpteenth time!) this morning when I noticed that the Brahms' chamber music box from Hyperion was no longer on sale, and this was an item I had added to my cart last week. But when I logged in immediately to see whether they had left me a message ("We have reserved the one just for you, sir." or "Sorry, no longer in stock, slow-poke!"), all I saw was an empty shopping cart!

Be warned, people!

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #601 on: January 25, 2012, 06:18:10 AM »
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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #602 on: January 25, 2012, 06:22:49 AM »
WTF happened to my shopping cart, Abeille Musique?!!! >:(

Here's a bad experience even before I made a purchase: The carefully selected list of items that had been part of my cart for the past few days had vanished when I checked earlier in the day. Without logging in I was scouring their lists (for the umpteenth time!) this morning when I noticed that the Brahms' chamber music box from Hyperion was no longer on sale, and this was an item I had added to my cart last week. But when I logged in immediately to see whether they had left me a message ("We have reserved the one just for you, sir." or "Sorry, no longer in stock, slow-poke!"), all I saw was an empty shopping cart!

Be warned, people!

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #603 on: January 25, 2012, 06:23:12 AM »
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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #604 on: January 25, 2012, 06:29:53 AM »
Has anyone had any experience of Play.com?  (A search of these forums fails to find it, so I guess not.)  I wonder whether they may be what might politely be termed "a waste of time", since they appear to list on their website items that have long been deleted from the catalogue which they have no means of supplying.  In July last year I ordered A Sei Voci's 6-disc set of Josquin - deleted as a bargain box but listed as available by play.com.  In mid-December an apology arrived, saying they were unable to supply in time for Christmas, and hoped I hadn't ordered it as a Christmas present!  (Not even my wife begins preparing for Christmas that early.)  Stocks would be arriving in the new year, apparently.  So when I spotted another deleted goody on their site (one of the Clerks' Ockeghem discs) I thought I'd e-mail them first to check they were able to supply before I ordered.  A few days later a reply comes back: they are sorry my order for the Ockeghem disc is taking so long, but they hope to be able to supply within 28... something.   Days?  Years?  So, not good to far.  But I'm quite prepared to hear that others have received excellent service.

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #605 on: January 25, 2012, 06:30:19 AM »
Nom d'un nom d'un nom . . . .
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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #606 on: January 25, 2012, 07:02:05 AM »
WTF happened to my shopping cart, Abeille Musique?!!! >:(

Here's a bad experience even before I made a purchase: The carefully selected list of items that had been part of my cart for the past few days had vanished when I checked earlier in the day. Without logging in I was scouring their lists (for the umpteenth time!) this morning when I noticed that the Brahms' chamber music box from Hyperion was no longer on sale, and this was an item I had added to my cart last week. But when I logged in immediately to see whether they had left me a message ("We have reserved the one just for you, sir." or "Sorry, no longer in stock, slow-poke!"), all I saw was an empty shopping cart!

Be warned, people!
Putting a disc in a shopping cart doen't mean you have one reserved. I simply cannot see how that could be. keeping the copmntent of shopping carts is another issue however, and I consider it bad practice to delete them without warning, though there certainly are technical scenarios resulting in a shopping cart being deleted (in connection with cookie deletion and other mishaps on the computer).

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #607 on: January 25, 2012, 07:16:36 AM »
Putting a disc in a shopping cart doen't mean you have one reserved.

I didn't say it does. As you should be able to gather from my post, all I was expecting from them at the least was a notification of some sort -- nothing more, nothing less. (The part about reservation was just me hoping against hope. ;))

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though there certainly are technical scenarios resulting in a shopping cart being deleted (in connection with cookie deletion and other mishaps on the computer).

But this is a case of persistent storage. In fact, when I saw this I was at another computer (i.e. not in my home).

As an aside: If you have taken part (or even read the T&C) in something like Amazon's Black Friday Lightning Deals, you may know that once you have added something to your shopping cart, it is reserved for you for the next 15 minutes (or some other fixed amount of time).
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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #608 on: January 25, 2012, 08:51:22 AM »
WTF happened to my shopping cart, Abeille Musique?!!! >:(

Here's a bad experience even before I made a purchase: The carefully selected list of items that had been part of my cart for the past few days had vanished when I checked earlier in the day. Without logging in I was scouring their lists (for the umpteenth time!) this morning when I noticed that the Brahms' chamber music box from Hyperion was no longer on sale, and this was an item I had added to my cart last week. But when I logged in immediately to see whether they had left me a message ("We have reserved the one just for you, sir." or "Sorry, no longer in stock, slow-poke!"), all I saw was an empty shopping cart!

Be warned, people!

Well despite the tremendous bargains offered (just put in an order last week!) at the French site, I rarely visit that website (No English options - UGHH!  And except for 'wine terms' I don't speak/read French -  :D).  In fact on my last order, I had a French-English dictionary site opened on another page and w/ some copy-pasting efforts I was able to understand the choices, esp. when checking out.  I did receive email confirmation so hopefully my order will be arriving in the near future.

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #609 on: January 25, 2012, 09:02:58 AM »
In fact on my last order, I had a French-English dictionary site opened on another page and w/ some copy-pasting efforts I was able to understand the choices, esp. when checking out.  I did receive email confirmation so hopefully my order will be arriving in the near future.

I have installed BabelFish for Firefox which can either translate the selected text (from many languages to other languages from the set and not just English) or the whole page using Google Translator. It's currently not available at AMO and incompatible with latest release of the browser, but I have it in a decent working condition under Firefox Compatibility Reporter. :)
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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #610 on: January 25, 2012, 09:04:10 AM »
Has anyone had any experience of Play.com?  (A search of these forums fails to find it, so I guess not.)  I wonder whether they may be what might politely be termed "a waste of time", since they appear to list on their website items that have long been deleted from the catalogue which they have no means of supplying.  In July last year I ordered A Sei Voci's 6-disc set of Josquin - deleted as a bargain box but listed as available by play.com.  In mid-December an apology arrived, saying they were unable to supply in time for Christmas, and hoped I hadn't ordered it as a Christmas present!  (Not even my wife begins preparing for Christmas that early.)  Stocks would be arriving in the new year, apparently.  So when I spotted another deleted goody on their site (one of the Clerks' Ockeghem discs) I thought I'd e-mail them first to check they were able to supply before I ordered.  A few days later a reply comes back: they are sorry my order for the Ockeghem disc is taking so long, but they hope to be able to supply within 28... something.   Days?  Years?  So, not good to far.  But I'm quite prepared to hear that others have received excellent service.

I've used them with success, although only to buy common stuff. They definitely don't specialise in the obscure as well as Amazon do.
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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #611 on: January 25, 2012, 03:16:46 PM »
I have installed BabelFish for Firefox which can either translate the selected text (from many languages to other languages from the set and not just English) or the whole page using Google Translator. It's currently not available at AMO and incompatible with latest release of the browser, but I have it in a decent working condition under Firefox Compatibility Reporter. :)

Google chrome as a web browser is a good solution here - it automatically detects a web page in a language other than your default, and offers to translate into your language.  Obviously, it doesn't work if what appears to betwixt is actually an image, but most of the time it does the job.

The one drawback is that these technologies are becoming so good that humorous translations are now sadly too infrequent.



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« Reply #612 on: January 25, 2012, 05:22:19 PM »
I didn't say it does. As you should be able to gather from my post, all I was expecting from them at the least was a notification of some sort -- nothing more, nothing less. (The part about reservation was just me hoping against hope. ;))

But this is a case of persistent storage. In fact, when I saw this I was at another computer (i.e. not in my home).


That's the likely reason there.  I would expect that if you log in from home you'll find--voila! voici!-- the shopping cart to be showing with whatever you left on there from the last time.

I know that if I log in to Arkivmusic, I can see my wish list from any computer, but my shopping cart only from my home computer (or whichever computer I use to build up the cart).  Apparently they store the wish list on their computer but the shopping cart is only on your computer.

ETA--come to think of it, not only is it computer specific but it's also browser specific--if I use Opera, I can't see the cart I made using another browser, for example.
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« Reply #613 on: January 25, 2012, 10:20:30 PM »
Yes, and that's because most shopping carts use cookies, if you change computer or browser, the cookies are gone and the shopping cart is blank.

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« Reply #614 on: January 25, 2012, 11:20:31 PM »
Google chrome as a web browser is a good solution here - it automatically detects a web page in a language other than your default, and offers to translate into your language.  Obviously, it doesn't work if what appears to betwixt is actually an image, but most of the time it does the job.

I find Chrome's translation service a bit intrusive (I'll call you when I need you! Okay?).

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The one drawback is that these technologies are becoming so good that humorous translations are now sadly too infrequent.

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That's the likely reason there.  I would expect that if you log in from home you'll find--voila! voici!-- the shopping cart to be showing with whatever you left on there from the last time.

I know that if I log in to Arkivmusic, I can see my wish list from any computer, but my shopping cart only from my home computer (or whichever computer I use to build up the cart).  Apparently they store the wish list on their computer but the shopping cart is only on your computer.

ETA--come to think of it, not only is it computer specific but it's also browser specific--if I use Opera, I can't see the cart I made using another browser, for example.


Yes, and that's because most shopping carts use cookies, if you change computer or browser, the cookies are gone and the shopping cart is blank.

This type of cart is not supposed to be based on cookies; at least that's one what one would expect when one is required to create an account to store items. (BTW, I came home, checked the basket in the browser in which I "shopped" -- it was empty -- and only then posted my complaint here.)

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« Reply #615 on: January 25, 2012, 11:35:21 PM »

This type of cart is not supposed to be based on cookies; at least that's one what one would expect when you one is required to create an account to store items. (BTW, I came home, checked the basket in the browser in which I "shopped" -- it was empty -- and only then posted my complaint here.)
I do agree, but long experience has told me to only thrust wish lists, not carts; I do assume abeillemusic support a wishlist? Terrible site designwise, but there's lots of bad sites (hmv.co.uk anyone?) out there.

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« Reply #616 on: January 25, 2012, 11:56:08 PM »
I do agree, but long experience has told me to only thrust wish lists, not carts; I do assume abeillemusic support a wishlist?

They have a "heart" symbol next to each item in the cart and I think it's a provision to move them to a wish-list.

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Terrible site designwise, but there's lots of bad sites (hmv.co.uk anyone?) out there.

It looks sensible when compared to their Japanese site the last time I saw it.
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« Reply #617 on: January 26, 2012, 06:44:18 AM »
They have a "heart" symbol next to each item in the cart and I think it's a provision to move them to a wish-list.


I thought it was some sort of warning about stress as the cart fills up and the costs grow.   :D

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« Reply #618 on: January 26, 2012, 11:57:37 AM »
This type of cart is not supposed to be based on cookies; at least that's one what one would expect when one is required to create an account to store items. (BTW, I came home, checked the basket in the browser in which I "shopped" -- it was empty -- and only then posted my complaint here.)

In that case you're right.   I would do more than complain.  But perhaps somewhere in les terms de service there's a proviso that lets them delete carts after a certain period of time or at their discretion?  If there isn't it--I can't think of any logical explanation.   You'd think a store would want to make shopping easier, not harder.

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #619 on: January 26, 2012, 12:10:29 PM »
Ah, les proviseaux de service!
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