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« Reply #2340 on: June 15, 2019, 01:26:00 AM »
I am under the impression that Nik had a much rougher upbringing than a number of us, and a consequent willingness to put aside burgher proprieties when he thought they were harmful.

During my tenure as a moderator I've encountered "gentlemen" of supposedly perfect pedigree foaming at the mouth and turning to vicious verbal abuse, just because they don't like to be told they were out of line. Crossing the line is always perfectly justified, it's the other guy's fault, others have done much worse, they are being picked on and moderation is biased and arbitrary as a rule and conducted by very, very bad people (to put it euphemistically).

So no, I don’t buy into that argument. I have encountered many from humble backgrounds and rough surroundings that are among the kindest and most genteel people I've ever met. Contrary to middle/upper class beliefs, pedigree is hugely overrated IMO.

Fortunately there are some that will just admit that they got carried away a bit, and good heartedly move on. Real (gentle)men... I mean, we all have our weak moments of bad judgment, and we all are bound to annoy someone at some moment in time - I'm sure I do.... 8) But dealing with that in a mature way separates the good from the bad.

We can call ourselves lucky that the forum currently needs a minimum of moderating. For some it is too little, for some any moderating is too much.It's a hard call. Most of the time, intervening will make matters worse. But sometimes things have to get worse, before they get better.

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At the very least I have always found their contributions to far outweigh their "sins".

There are different degrees of crossing the line. I personally don’t see how there is any going back from threatening someone and calling him a pedophile.

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« Reply #2341 on: June 15, 2019, 04:21:48 AM »
Speaking as someone who in the past have been involved in bitter conflict with the mods, all  but one, I can attest to their being actually moderate, open to criticism, and, especially in my case, forgiving and forgetful with the culprit who sincerely acknowledges his shortcomings and faults and admits to temporarily having lost his temper / minds. I've been a GMG members for more than 10 years, I think, and as far as I can remember the only member banned during all this time was the one who pretty much anybody else agreed he was obnoxious, annoying and insulting. Is there another internet board, I wonder, where during 10 full years there was only 1 (one) banned member? Generally, the most extreme measure the mods are likely to take is to temporarily lock a thread. Now, I am opposed to that in principle because in my view free speech is sacrosanct, and in some cases I protested loudly against such measures --- but I know form personal experience that sometimes taking a pause from heated debate can work wonders for all parties involved.

Bottom line, I'd like to express my honest opinion that GMG is generally a place where any member can freely express his / her opinion without any fear they'll be censored, except in such extreme cases as insulting another member in the grossest manner possible. No, wait, now that I think of it there was one quite active GMG member who posted sensible thoughts about music and wild rants about politics and who, having been apparently put on a moderating system for the latter, chose to quit this board for good. If you ask me, this is a clear example of censorship driving away a member. But apart from this isolated case, my impression is that GMG is --- again --- THE freest internet board I've ever been a member of.

And I have no intention to leave so you folks, and you mods, will have to put up with me and my ideas for any foreseeable future.  :D
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« Reply #2342 on: June 15, 2019, 04:25:21 AM »
Contrary to middle/upper class beliefs, pedigree is hugely overrated IMO.

This is my experience as well.
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Re: Missing Members
« Reply #2343 on: June 15, 2019, 04:37:49 AM »
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There are different degrees of crossing the line. I personally don’t see how there is any going back from threatening someone and calling him a pedophile.

There's always American politics.
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« Reply #2344 on: June 15, 2019, 05:35:06 AM »
There's always American politics.

I have it on a trustworthy source that the first POTUS ever to be accused of trampling over the USA Constitution, and of being a traitor to the Founding Fathers' ideas, was George Washington.
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Re: Missing Members
« Reply #2345 on: June 15, 2019, 01:28:44 PM »
Fortunately there are some that will just admit that they got carried away a bit, and good heartedly move on. Real (gentle)men... I mean, we all have our weak moments of bad judgment, and we all are bound to annoy someone at some moment in time - I'm sure I do.... 8) But dealing with that in a mature way separates the good from the bad.

We can call ourselves lucky that the forum currently needs a minimum of moderating. For some it is too little, for some any moderating is too much.It's a hard call. Most of the time, intervening will make matters worse. But sometimes things have to get worse, before they get better.

My faves of the good points here, just so people know that the mods are generally in agreement. None of us is perfect.

Bottom line, I'd like to express my honest opinion that GMG is generally a place where any member can freely express his / her opinion without any fear they'll be censored, except in such extreme cases as insulting another member in the grossest manner possible.

I know we don't interact much here -- likely because our musical interests don't often overlap -- but I appreciate this comment, and others, in your reply above.

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Re: Missing Members
« Reply #2346 on: June 17, 2019, 01:14:07 PM »
How long does one have to be gone to be considered missing, I wonder...

owlice & I enjoyed a wonderful catch-up dinner in the people's republic of Cambridge yesterday.
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« Reply #2347 on: June 17, 2019, 08:36:20 PM »
owlice & I enjoyed a wonderful catch-up dinner in the people's republic of Cambridge yesterday.

How very nice Karl
 :)

I've now worked out what 'POTUS' means - only took me a fortnight!  ::)

Hope you are doing well.

Jeffrey

PS Pohjola's Daughter still seems to be lost in Tuonela. Hope she is ok.
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« Reply #2348 on: June 18, 2019, 04:43:20 AM »
How very nice Karl
 :)

I've now worked out what 'POTUS' means - only took me a fortnight!  ::)

Hope you are doing well.

Jeffrey

PS Pohjola's Daughter still seems to be lost in Tuonela. Hope she is ok.

Now you have to figure SCOTUS and FLOTUS !  ;D

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« Reply #2349 on: June 18, 2019, 06:41:30 AM »
Now you have to figure SCOTUS and FLOTUS !  ;D

No idea so I had to cheat:

Supreme  Court.....

First Lady.....
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« Reply #2350 on: June 18, 2019, 06:42:52 AM »
I heard from her last week. Her cat was run over and being a massive cat lover she is devastated by this. Due to her seemingly abandoning ship I did wonder if she had migrated back to Haydnesque but I have nothing to back that up.

Thanks Lol,

As a cat lover myself I know how devastating that can be.

When my PM system is back in action I'll contact her.
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« Reply #2351 on: June 18, 2019, 02:51:33 PM »
During my tenure as a moderator I've encountered "gentlemen" of supposedly perfect pedigree foaming at the mouth and turning to vicious verbal abuse, just because they don't like to be told they were out of line.
Hahahaha I think I know who you're talking about  ;D
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« Reply #2352 on: June 19, 2019, 06:07:03 AM »
I've now worked out what 'POTUS' means - only took me a fortnight!  ::)

The person concerned has had no idea himself for 2,5 years already.
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« Reply #2353 on: June 19, 2019, 08:54:45 PM »
The person concerned has had no idea himself for 2,5 years already.
Good point!

It's fortunate that the UK's likely next PM is such a beacon of integrity.  ::)
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« Reply #2354 on: June 19, 2019, 09:04:15 PM »
Good point!

It's fortunate that the UK's likely next PM is such a beacon of integrity.  ::)
Such a pity he couldn't find time to meet with OMNIPOTUS during his recent state visit:  :D
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« Reply #2355 on: June 19, 2019, 09:36:45 PM »
Such a pity he couldn't find time to meet with OMNIPOTUS during his recent state visit:  :D
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Excellent!
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« Reply #2356 on: June 23, 2019, 07:54:09 PM »
owlice & I enjoyed a wonderful catch-up dinner in the people's republic of Cambridge yesterday.
Indeed we did!! And we had much much much to catch up on!!! It was a fabulous time!!!

BTW, the overwalk to the restaurant turned out to be helpful later as I wandered toward wherever it was I was going. :-)

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« Reply #2357 on: June 24, 2019, 06:43:34 AM »
Indeed we did!! And we had much much much to catch up on!!! It was a fabulous time!!!

BTW, the overwalk to the restaurant turned out to be helpful later as I wandered toward wherever it was I was going. :-)

Ambling about Cambridge can almost always be turned to good account.

Next time, I'll show you a chocolate joint (place, that is)
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« Reply #2358 on: June 25, 2019, 09:02:38 PM »
I've now worked out what 'POTUS' means - only took me a fortnight!  ::)

The species, a predator, is better known as Potus Raptus.
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« Reply #2359 on: June 25, 2019, 09:47:46 PM »
The species, a predator, is better known as Potus Raptus.
:)
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