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Rheinberger's Rectory
« on: November 14, 2011, 06:46:34 AM »
No Rheinberger thread so far? What neglect. Let's start one right now.

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Being on the same level of one of the greatest composers of chamber music of history, it's not a bad thing for a quite unknown composer.

No, not at all a bad thing!  :)

It's a great compliment, in fact. And I'm not a Brahms-hater.

The little Rheinberger Digest

Some of Rheinberger's sacred music and choral works (though not all!) have a Christmasy-sweet  character that can be super-charming with overtones of cloying.
(Short acapella works like the Missa brevis op.83, and op.117 "in honorem sanctissimae Trinitatis" are very neat; I loved them even as a choir boy singing them in the cathedral on Sunday-duty. One of the few available recordings even uses my choir -- not with my contribution, though. :-))

The solo-organ music ... well, if you really like organ music, I suppose it's worth while. But there's a lot of it.

Odd-ones-out like Christoforus [horrible recording, but the only one so far] or the Florentine Symphony ) are quite marvelous.

The chamber music, however, is unequivocally first rate.

As Harry pointed out, there's a lot of Piano Music... enough to fill 10 CDs. It was recorded for Thorofon, also, and Carus brought it out as a box. There are beautiful things among it, and really valuable pieces to my ears (I haven't heard all of it yet), but I really wish there was a good two-disc "best of" Rheinberger Piano Works. All ten discs, unlike with the six to eight discs of chamber music, seem a bit of overkill, especially for Rheinberger-newcomers.

Since pipe organs are hard to accommodate in a living room (though not impossible, granted), the sonatas for violin and organ, the "6 Pieces", and the Suite for cello, violin, and organ are not in the chamber music box. They are, however, stupendous music... with much of the 'proper' chamber music some of Rheinberger's best... though with a neo-baroque touch stronger here than elsewhere. There are lots of recordings available; with Christopher Herrick (Helios), Zygmunt Strzep (Arte Nova),  Joachim Diedrichs (Cantate), Marie Ziener (Naxos) et al.

et al. My favorites are, by some measure, Andreas Juffinger (Capriccio, re-issued, at last, in Europe) and Ulrik Spang-Hanssen (Classico). The two organ concertos really go right along with those pieces and are also, in my opinion (though obviously not for organ-dislikers) "Must-Have Rheinberger". Again I love Juffinger with the RSO Berlin and H.Haenchen (Capriccio). That was briefly available as a (budget SACD) and can probably still be gotten at a decent price. (Certainly still available thus in Germany.)

The Concertos on Naxos are with Paul Skevington (Naxos) but in the recording, I find, lose a good deal of their swerve. You don't want perfunctory Rheinberger. MDG) has a recording which throws in the 3 Pieces for Organ & Cello. Yumm-yumm. (w/Stefan Johannes Bleicher)

If you prefer your Rheinberger [piano concerto] lightly tossed over a portion of home-made Sgambati, go right ahead!


Some Basic Rheinberger


J.G. Rheinberger,
Six Pieces for Organ & Violin,
Suite for Organ, Violin, & Cello
Juffinger / Sebestyen / Ostertag
Capriccio


German Link
French Link
UK Link

J.G. Rheinberger,
Organ Concertos
Juffinger / Haenchen / DRSO Berlin
Capriccio


German Link
French Link
UK Link

J.G. Rheinberger,
Nonet, Sextet
Consortium Classicum
MDG


German Link
French Link
UK Link

J.G. Rheinberger,
Sacred and Secular a capella Music
Ratzinger / Domspatzen
Ars Musici


German Link
French Link
UK Link

J.G. Rheinberger,
The Star of Bethlehem
various
Capriccio


German Link
French Link
UK Link

J.G. Rheinberger,
Sacred Choral Works
Phoenix Bach Choir / Charles Bruffy
Chandos SACD


German Link
French Link
UK Link

J.G. Rheinberger,
Organ Concertos, 3 Pieces for Organ & Cello,
Musikkoll. Winterthur, Bleicher / Boyd et al.
MDG


German Link
French Link
UK Link

J.G. Rheinberger,
Complete* Chamber Works
various artists
6 CDs, Thorofon


German Link
French Link
UK Link

J.G. Rheinberger,
Complete Piano Works
Jürg Hanselmann
Carus (formerly Thorofon) [10CDs]


German Link
French Link
UK Link
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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 06:52:24 AM »
Not really familiar with this composer at all, which is unusual for me.

What is so rectal about his music?
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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 07:12:20 AM »
Not really familiar with this composer at all, which is unusual for me.

What *are* you suggesting?

That you are warmly familiar with J.Marx, E.Zeisl, F.Mittler, L.Thuille,  R.Wetz, R.Stephan, W.Braunfels, N.Reznicek, J.B.Gänsbacher, J.Netzer, J.Rufinatscha, W.B.Molique, A.F.Tietz and that it is therefore surprising that you wouldn't heard of Rheinberger or at least not heard any of his music? Yes, that would be unusual.  You have heard of his pupils though:  E.Humperdinck, E.Wolf-Ferrari, W.Furtwängler among them.

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What is so rectal about his music?

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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2011, 07:13:01 AM »
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2011, 07:19:10 AM »
Sorry, bad joke...

pun on "Digest / digestion"? Bit of a stretch, but being quite keen on the pun-as-art-form myself, I make allowances.  ;)

P.S. Oh, no... pun on rectory. Well, not quite as droll, then.  ::)

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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 07:20:14 AM »
Well I had some associations in the same directum (sorry; direction).

His piano music on Carus (at least the two firsts discs I've heard) has convinced me he has quite some things going for him.

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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 07:31:00 AM »
If you prefer your Rheinberger [piano concerto] lightly tossed over a portion of home-made Sgambati, go right ahead!

Highly recommend the Rheinberger with a side of Sgambati as well. :)

There is a also a disc of his orchestral works. This twofer (and it's pretty good, though I would start with the concerto):

 
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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 07:37:51 AM »
I'll begin on the piano music box soon (I'm finally getting around to my "to rip" pile). I am not well-versed with the composer's choral or orchestral work, but I am also a fan of the chamber music box. Neglected composers often follow one of two paths:

Standard: comparable but pale shadows of the greats
Interesting: writing in a different (perhaps more localised) manner, and somewhat harder to compare on purely technical levels as they tend to be seen as lacking a certain intellectual 'rigour' to their work

On the strength of his chamber music alone, Rheinberger finds himself in a third category - a composer who wrote in a familiar style, using recognisable forms which can actually stand toe to toe with the established greats - but for some reason they are overlooked. I would place Medtner in this group as well; 'why aren't more people listening to this'-type composers.
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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2011, 07:37:41 AM »
Since nearly every other disc was posted, I figured we should show the Concerto disc too. Besides, I expect a horde of posters once people are reminded of Rheinberger!  8)

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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 02:42:37 AM »
There are a couple others I have been considering, but am not familiar with...

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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2012, 02:24:32 PM »
Left the post below in the 'Listening Thread' earlier today - would like to bring this more dedicated and neglected one TTT - before obtaining this 6-CD box, I had just a single CD of this composer's works, i.e. the Nonet/Sextet on MDG.  I listened to the first 3 discs (String/Piano Quintets, String Quartets, & several Piano Trios) - just first rate Romantic chamber works , well performed, and in excellent sound, and a bargain offering @ the moment from JPC.

Attached are several entries from Fanfare dating from when these performances were first released, for those interested.  :)

But plan to review some of Jens' recommendations, and already put the choral & the organ concertos CDs on my wishlist - hope others will 'chime in' w/ their comments & suggestions - Dave

Day after Christmas, my package from JPC arrived w/ a LOT of items - the largest one up first:

Rheinberger, Josef (1839-1901) - Chamber Music w/ Sonare Quartett et al - 6 CD box on sale there (my cost about $36!).  Just starting out w/ the first disc, i.e. String & Piano Quintets - this is going to be a wonderful set, especially for those who enjoy late Romantic chamber music - attached are some Fanfare reviews dating just after the release of these performances - :)



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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2013, 08:31:15 AM »
Just left a post in the 'listening thread' which might be of interest to Rheinberger fans!   :D

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I have a Carus disc (below), but will still be interested to hear what you think of the choral disc. The Organ Concerto looks very cool, and I am inclined to get that one unless you say it's a dud.

Hi Neal - the choral disc is spectacular (based on probably 5 listens at least) - I cannot top Scott Morrison's laudatory review on Amazon HERE, and completely agree w/ the comments; in fact, I probably will look at some of the other Charles Bruffy recordings this weekend and put in an order - highly recommended to A cappella music lovers!   :D

The organ CD has received some mixed reviews, i.e. a rather dismissive one from MusicWeb HERE & an excellent one by Jerry Dubins in 2011 (attached); I agree w/ the latter; I believe that the first reviewer mentioned wanted a more bombastic organ performance and a much larger orchestra, but these are more like chamber works w/ a much smaller ensemble and the organ blended in like just another solo instrument - the music is lyrical w/ the organ seamlessly in the mixture of instruments - I like the recording and if you find the comments of Dubins to your taste, then also a recommendation.  Dave :)

 

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Re: Rheinberger's Rectory
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2015, 01:38:50 PM »
I'm going to suggest our church organist look through his music and see if there's something she'd like to tackle some Sunday morning.

Solid chamber musician, too.  Nothing setting the world on fire, exactly, but finely crafted.
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