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Who was the more profound musical creator?

Sergei Prokofiev
18 (64.3%)
Igor Stravinsky
10 (35.7%)

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Voting closed: July 24, 2007, 09:19:47 AM

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Offline James

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Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« on: July 05, 2007, 09:19:47 AM »
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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2007, 09:25:06 AM »
Banana, or, as either Sergei Sergeyevich or Igor Fyodorovich would say, banan!

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2007, 09:36:56 AM »
I remember reading a book by Copland where he said: "Remember melody isn't everything.  For example, Prokofiev is a better melodist than Stravinsky, but he's not the better composer."

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2007, 09:41:24 AM »
Quote from: Copland
Remember melody isn't everything.  For example, Prokofiev is a better melodist than Stravinsky, but he's not the better composer.

Ouch!  The left hand allows that Prokofiev has finer talents in some ways, while the right hand flat out smacks him silly.

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2007, 09:45:31 AM »
I remember reading a book by Copland where he said: "Remember melody isn't everything.  For example, Prokofiev is a better melodist than Stravinsky, but he's not the better composer."

Yes, there's probably something to that.  I find the question impossible to answer as posed.  As far as who's my personal favorite of the two, that's easy -- Prokofiev, by a wide margin.  I also tend to prefer Prokofiev to Shostakovich, but then I suppose I'm eccentric :)
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2007, 10:15:29 AM »
As far as who's my personal favorite of the two, that's easy -- Prokofiev, by a wide margin.

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I'm with him. 8)

greg

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 10:22:30 AM »
Stravinsky is more influential, but......
i like Prokofiev more since he's written an endless supply of music that I like.

greg

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2007, 10:33:21 AM »
i think part of the reason is that Stravinsky developed new techniques that composers in the future could develop, while Prokofiev's melodic-based music was more old-fashioned.

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2007, 10:38:24 AM »
Thanks James.

Copland's right.

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2007, 10:55:07 AM »
James, it isn't at all clear to me why you thought the rest of us did not understand the adjective profound.

Scott, Copland likely is right, in that few perhaps would make that claim.  But I, for one, will entertain the argument.  Perhaps Prokofiev is the "more profound" of the two.

At any rate, my own feeling is that the two composers were of very different character and musical method;  but they both produced a large body of work which ranges very satisfactorily from the profound, to brilliant surface-play.

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2007, 11:01:03 AM »
Here is Copland's exact quote from the Melody chapter...

"Moreover, composers are far from equally gifted as melodists. Nor should their music be valued solely according to the richness of their melodic gifts....

On the other hand, why should the melodist be automatically considered less profound just because he gives us a great tune? Schubert isn't profound? Schumann isn't profound? Mozart?  Handel?...Elgar?  ;D

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2007, 11:09:07 AM »
Sarge, who's arguing for automatically giving less consideration to the melodist?

Karl, I'll entertain the argument, too.  In fact, I retract my earlier affirmation: I'm not sure who has more profundity.

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2007, 11:15:20 AM »
To my mind, Stravinsky wrote far more important music, and Prokofiev wrote far more entertaining music.

(Edit: I've got nothing against entertaining music, by the way.)

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2007, 11:24:14 AM »
Proko v. Shosty is a more realistic comparison ....... in which case I would ever-so-slightly opt for Proko .......

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2007, 11:26:07 AM »
To my mind, Stravinsky wrote far more important music, and Prokofiev wrote far more entertaining music.


I place great importance on music's entertainment value .......

The Mad Hatter

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2007, 11:53:25 AM »
I place great importance on music's entertainment value .......

Likewise, but I still think that something like The Rite of Spring (to use a perfectly obvious example) is more important musically than anything Prokofiev did.

That said, I'd almost always listen to Prokofiev first.

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2007, 12:03:02 PM »
I find it absolutely impossible to choose. :-\ 0:)

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2007, 12:22:29 PM »
There's a great Stravinskyist conspiracy to downplay Prokofiev's importance.

 >:D

Don

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2007, 12:23:46 PM »
I find it absolutely impossible to choose. :-\ 0:)

You can do it.  If you can pick a wife, you can pick a composer. ;D

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Re: Prokofiev vs. Stravinsky
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2007, 12:25:03 PM »
There's a great Stravinskyist conspiracy to downplay Prokofiev's importance.

 >:D

It's good to know I'm not the only one tuned in to this conspiracy.