Author Topic: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread  (Read 60555 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Que

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 14975
  • "One HIP dude"
  • Location: The Hague, Netherlands
  • Currently Listening to:
    Still nuts about harpsichord music and exploring Early Music.
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #360 on: March 19, 2018, 10:48:29 PM »
Any recommendations for the recordings of the harpsichord music by Henry Purcell:)

Q
À chacun son goût.

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9335
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #361 on: March 19, 2018, 11:22:42 PM »
The issue/problem I have with Purcell's keyboard music is that often he's played with no irony, it's all "premier degré" - with only the most unambiguous meaning. Egarr was a revelation to me, because he showed there was a more interesting way.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2018, 11:36:51 PM by Mandryka »
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Marc

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3418
  • Sine Cerere et Bach friget Venus
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #362 on: March 19, 2018, 11:37:33 PM »
Surprise, it was you who drew my attention to her Louis Couperin CD a couple of years ago.

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1729.msg970798.html#msg970798

I thought Mandryka was gonna hug me for that L Couperin / Haudebourg recommendation, but apparently he knew that one all along. ;)
Help support the GMG Classical Music Forum by purchasing from Amazon using this link, this link, or this link

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9335
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #363 on: March 20, 2018, 12:05:58 AM »
(((((( Marc ))))))
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Jo498

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3779
  • Location: Germany
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #364 on: March 20, 2018, 12:39:27 AM »
In my impression Purcell's harpsichord pieces are very charming but comparably slight, I think of them as 17th century well-educated girl's music. I have one reasonably complete recording with Baumont that I enjoy and a few pieces on mixed recitals (Leonhardt in one of these boxes and probably a few more).

Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
(Bob Dylan)

Offline Marc

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3418
  • Sine Cerere et Bach friget Venus
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #365 on: March 20, 2018, 03:12:20 AM »
(((((( Marc ))))))

[Couldn't find an appropriate 'blush' emoticon]

;)

I got to know the L Couperin disc thanks to the Dutch central public library.
One of those old institutions that must not die.
Help support the GMG Classical Music Forum by purchasing from Amazon using this link, this link, or this link

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9335
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #366 on: March 20, 2018, 05:45:10 AM »
In my impression Purcell's harpsichord pieces are very charming but comparably slight, I think of them as 17th century well-educated girl's music. I have one reasonably complete recording with Baumont that I enjoy and a few pieces on mixed recitals (Leonhardt in one of these boxes and probably a few more).


I think that it was a pretty widespread conception of correct English style, " charming and slight."

In addition to Egarr, the other "top tier" Purcell artist is Gustav Leonhardt  on Teldec where he recorded a suite and some shorter pieces, not much but outstanding, I remember being gobsmacked when I first discovered it and the sense of wonder at such miraculously humane and sensitive playing is still there.

« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 05:49:01 AM by Mandryka »
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Jo498

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3779
  • Location: Germany
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #367 on: March 20, 2018, 06:13:56 AM »
I don't think it has anything to do with an English style (and if, would Baumont who is French follow this style?)
A lot of Byrd's keyboard music is not charming and slight. Neither is Purcell's church music.
But Purcell's harpsichord pieces are obviously fairly small scale and neither hard to play nor demonstrations of either digital or contrapuntal skill like some other keyboard music of the baroque.
This is of course compatible with the music being "humane and sensitive". I used to like that Baumont disk quite a bit although admittedly it has been a while that I played it.

I meant a different later Leonhardt recording that included the suites 2,4,5,7 and a few more short pieces. Rec. 1994 and included in the "Legends" box.
But I probably have also (at least some subset) of the older Telefunken recordings you mentioned as some seem to be on the second disc of this collection:


Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
(Bob Dylan)

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9335
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #368 on: March 20, 2018, 06:41:58 AM »

But Purcell's harpsichord pieces are obviously fairly small scale and neither hard to play nor demonstrations of either digital or contrapuntal skill like some other keyboard music of the baroque.


 You could be right. In fact  I'm not very familiar with English baroque keyboard music other than Purcell and Blow.


I don't think it has anything to do with an English style (and if, would Baumont who is French follow this style?)
A lot of Byrd's keyboard music is not charming and slight.

A case to think about is Farnaby. Farnaby is often played like he wrote light and playful and unambiguous music.  When someone like Hantai comes along and reads the music differently they come in for criticism based on presuppositions about appropriate national style. But it's true that Farnaby is much earlier than Purcell.  It's also true that Byrd, also much earlier than Purcell,  wrote some interesting contrapuntal music which gives the possibility of making it more weighty from an expressive point of view -- how widely this aspect is taken up in performance I wouldn't like to say. Does Belder? Or Tilney? I'm not sure. Hakkinen does.


I used to like that Baumont disk quite a bit although admittedly it has been a while that I played it.



I quite like it too.



I meant a different later Leonhardt recording that included the suites 2,4,5,7 and a few more short pieces. Rec. 1994 and included in the "Legends" box.
But I probably have also (at least some subset) of the older Telefunken recordings you mentioned as some seem to be on the second disc of this collection:



I don't know the later one very well, I've never got into it much. I expect it's very rewarding given who's playing.


« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 06:53:36 AM by Mandryka »
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9335
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #369 on: March 20, 2018, 10:46:58 PM »
Re above discussion, here's a recording by Colin Tilney called Pleasures of the English Baroque, which I've started to explore, most of the music is new to me, as are most of the composers, I wonder if it's really as simple and unambiguous emotionally.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/ocJWze2FjPU" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/ocJWze2FjPU</a>

There's very little English baroque keyboard music on record, apart from Purcell these composers seem to have been avoided, maybe it just isn't very good music, maybe I'm forgetting something.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 11:06:29 PM by Mandryka »
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Jo498

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3779
  • Location: Germany
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #370 on: March 23, 2018, 10:18:28 AM »
I just wanted to add that the "Legend of Gustav Leonhardt" Box contains another suite nr.6 on a mixed disc (15, 11 ist the Purcell/Blow selection). So overall one gets 5/8 suites and several of the better known shorter pieces by Purcell in that box which would probably be sufficient for most, at least to get a good taste of it. Together with the Baumont disc and the odd piece in a mixed recital it is sufficient for my needs.
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
(Bob Dylan)

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9335
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #371 on: March 23, 2018, 11:17:59 PM »
Re above discussion, here's a recording by Colin Tilney called Pleasures of the English Baroque, which I've started to explore, most of the music is new to me, as are most of the composers, I wonder if it's really as simple and unambiguous emotionally.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/ocJWze2FjPU" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/ocJWze2FjPU</a>

There's very little English baroque keyboard music on record, apart from Purcell these composers seem to have been avoided, maybe it just isn't very good music, maybe I'm forgetting something.

Having listened to this once, I think the music is not very interesting.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline (: premont :)

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 6665
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #372 on: March 24, 2018, 02:53:08 AM »
Having listened to this once, I think the music is not very interesting.

I listened to most of the recording and found the music mildly boring. Also the big revival harpsichord (Goff - the English equivalent of Pleyel) does no good. But Tilney'a playing can hardly be faulted as such.
Tiden læger alle sår,
heldigt nok at tiden går.

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9335
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #373 on: June 05, 2018, 03:25:47 AM »
     


Martinoli Martinoli has a special knack. He can take music which really functions through superficial keyboard effects, and play it in a way which is natural sounding, expressive and humane. In Scarlatti, as far as I know, only Leonhardt takes this approach on DHM, and no one comes close in Louis Marchand’s harpsichord music -  Blandine Verlet has different virtues. People who, like me, were close to giving up on these composers may not regret trying these two CDs of his.

Having said that, the high point of the Louis Marchand disc is the anonymous tombeau!

Beautifully recorded and packaged.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2018, 03:30:31 AM by Mandryka »
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9335
Re: General Harpsichord and Clavichord Thread
« Reply #374 on: June 10, 2018, 03:59:57 AM »
   


Martinoli Martinoli has a special knack. He can take music which really functions through superficial keyboard effects, and play it in a way which is natural sounding, expressive and humane. . . .  no one comes close in Louis Marchand’s harpsichord music - 

Beautifully recorded and packaged.

Ah now I see why the Marchand CD is so good, it may not be Louis Marchand! I’d seen that the booklet was very scholarly, but I hadn’t read it. Some details here

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2007/July07/Marchand_OM008.htm

Whoever it’s by, the music’s as good as anything in the Göttweig manuscript  ;)
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen