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« Reply #14220 on: October 01, 2017, 08:13:51 AM »
This is an intriguing set, 3 cds that seem to be available as a "house product" of JPC for only 9.99€:



Contents described in the booklet, available as a pdf download in this link, just below the set's picture at the left:

https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/weimarer-klassik-musikalische-kostbarkeiten-aus-thueringer-archiven/hnum/3448272


Clips seem to reveal some quite interesting music.

Anyone heard it and can comment ?
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« Reply #14221 on: October 04, 2017, 08:21:07 AM »
This one:



I already have Thomson and Valek, plus a few one-offs.

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« Reply #14222 on: October 04, 2017, 08:31:24 AM »
Does anyone know enough about the recordings in this set to comment on their quality?  I'm interested in the Bach Motets and the Dufay specifically.





I ordered this a few weeks ago, but it's finally shipped and will be arriving soon.  Updates to follow.
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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #14223 on: October 04, 2017, 08:41:45 AM »
This one:



I already have Thomson and Valek, plus a few one-offs.

Quite a fine set, but Thomson remains my favorite, FYIW.
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« Reply #14224 on: October 04, 2017, 02:10:45 PM »
This one:



I already have Thomson and Valek, plus a few one-offs.

I think this is currently the best set, but I've kept Thomson and Neumann for their very different approaches.  I can't now recall an impression of the Valek set, but it didn't seem worth keeping.

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« Reply #14225 on: October 04, 2017, 02:17:37 PM »
Thanks for both comments. I think I will go for it. I have liked Belohlavek in some individual discs of Martinu, including Symphonies 3 and 4 recorded with another orchestra. I want an alternative to Thomson, who I thought sometimes neglected the lyrical character of the music to draw forth the maximum drama.

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« Reply #14226 on: October 04, 2017, 02:54:43 PM »
This one:



I already have Thomson and Valek, plus a few one-offs.


As other have mentioned, it's a great set. I have one disc of Thomson but find him overly slow.
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« Reply #14227 on: October 04, 2017, 04:05:20 PM »
As other have mentioned, it's a great set. I have one disc of Thomson but find him overly slow.

Ok, that pushed me over the edge, ordered. Now I have to wait by my mailbox since it is coming across the vast ocean.

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« Reply #14228 on: October 06, 2017, 05:47:22 AM »
I want to get more of the clarinet repertoire.  I have Stoltzman's disc of Mozart with the Tokyo String Quartet, and it's fabulous. But I've heard some of his crossover and think its pretty weak. Just a few discs of that here, so not a deal-breaker. However, I don't know if his other work is as good as the Mozart, or if there is a better clarinet box somewhere...

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« Reply #14229 on: October 06, 2017, 05:52:00 AM »
I want to get more of the clarinet repertoire.  I have Stoltzman's disc of Mozart with the Tokyo String Quartet, and it's fabulous. But I've heard some of his crossover and think its pretty weak. Just a few discs of that here, so not a deal-breaker. However, I don't know if his other work is as good as the Mozart, or if there is a better clarinet box somewhere...



His recording with Tashi of Messiaen’s Quatuor pour la fin du temps is one of the best on record and I also enjoyed his recording of Copland’s Clarinet Concerto. Very talented clarinetist who, unfortunately, like Yo-Yo Ma and the like has felt the need to do more ‘popular’ stuff, but Stoltzman’s best work is in that box set or, at least, judging from the set’s contents. If you don’t own the afore mentioned performances and like some of the other repertoire, I say go for it.
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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #14230 on: October 06, 2017, 07:05:59 AM »
I think Stoltzman has an ugly clarinet tone. I'd rather go with Sabine Meyer, Sharon Kam or European players of an older generation like Leister. 
But some people beg to differ and of course one can argue that he has enough other qualities. There are probably no other "clarinet boxes" and some of the repertoire looks interesting. But it's not for me because I cannot bear listening to the sounds he makes.
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« Reply #14231 on: October 06, 2017, 07:35:44 AM »
Scarpia, I'm late to the party here but I also think that Belohlavek cycle is tops, with Thomson a rung down. I don't much value Jarvi or Valek and the Fagen (Naxos) cycle would be competitive if it had been recorded more professionally.

Belohlavek really masters the rhythmic drive of Martinu and I think the sound quality is a little less distant than the Supraphon disc which you are probably referring to.

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« Reply #14232 on: October 06, 2017, 07:49:59 AM »
Scarpia, I'm late to the party here but I also think that Belohlavek cycle is tops, with Thomson a rung down. I don't much value Jarvi or Valek and the Fagen (Naxos) cycle would be competitive if it had been recorded more professionally.

Belohlavek really masters the rhythmic drive of Martinu and I think the sound quality is a little less distant than the Supraphon disc which you are probably referring to.

Good for peace of mind as I wait for the set to arrive.  :)

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« Reply #14233 on: October 06, 2017, 07:50:10 AM »
I've had the Belohlavek & Jarvi sets (currently only own the former) and honestly don't hear massive differences between them, but everyone else seems to. Neumann is the only essential alternative imo.

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« Reply #14234 on: October 06, 2017, 07:58:27 AM »
I've had the Belohlavek & Jarvi sets (currently only own the former) and honestly don't hear massive differences between them, but everyone else seems to. Neumann is the only essential alternative imo.

does that mean if only one, one should get Neumann's or that one could get any of the three?
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« Reply #14235 on: October 06, 2017, 08:05:01 AM »
does that mean if only one, one should get Neumann's or that one could get any of the three?

In principal, I would be interested in Neumann, but in the past I have tended to prefer Belohlavek performances. It was off my radar since it does not seem to be distributed in the U.S., currently.

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« Reply #14236 on: October 06, 2017, 08:52:40 AM »
does that mean if only one, one should get Neumann's or that one could get any of the three?
any of the three IMO

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« Reply #14237 on: October 06, 2017, 05:15:03 PM »
I want to get more of the clarinet repertoire.  I have Stoltzman's disc of Mozart with the Tokyo String Quartet, and it's fabulous. But I've heard some of his crossover and think its pretty weak. Just a few discs of that here, so not a deal-breaker. However, I don't know if his other work is as good as the Mozart, or if there is a better clarinet box somewhere...



Check into the Sabine Meyer sets. Some but not all of it covers the same ground. Frankly,  the Stoltzman recordings fall into three categories for me:
Stuff I have in other recordings
Stuff I'm not interested in.
The Copland, Ives, and Finzi recordings.
IOW, three CDs in that set I actually want. Simply not enough to justify getting the set.
So I guess it comes down to how many recordings in that set are actually of interest to you.
(Of course, if it ever goes to Super super Duper Cheap status, my interest would be much higher.)

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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #14238 on: October 06, 2017, 05:26:11 PM »

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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #14239 on: October 07, 2017, 08:24:18 AM »
Neumann is the only essential alternative imo.

Belohlavek's partial Supraphon set is certainly not a backwater.   
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach