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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #14240 on: October 07, 2017, 09:37:38 AM »
Belohlavek's partial Supraphon set is certainly not a backwater.

+1 His performance of Symphony No. 3 w/ the CzPO may very well be the best on record IMHO.
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« Reply #14241 on: October 07, 2017, 05:21:51 PM »
Thank you guys for the comments on the Stoltzman set.  I'm interested in it, but will hold off or now and see if it falls to more of a bargain price in the future...
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« Reply #14242 on: October 07, 2017, 07:57:02 PM »


More Korean market titles that caught my eye.  The Shiyeon Sung Mahler looks intriguing.  I've never heard a woman conduct Mahler.  A performance of her conducting the Fifth is available on YouTube, but I don't know if it's the same performance as this one.

I've heard part of this, on Spotify. Don't remember how I became aware of its existence, but a woman conducting Mahler intrigued me too.

Anyway, what I've heard struck me as very good indeed. (Take that with perhaps more than a grain of salt, however - I'm still a comparative dilettante in classical music.) One quibble, though, and it's what has kept me from completing the listen: the recording is not great, at least in the louder passages. There's some kind of distortion or shrillness in it. I realize, however, that that could be a function of how I was listening. Maybe the actual CD is fine.  :-\
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« Reply #14243 on: October 12, 2017, 12:59:13 PM »
These are (among others) on sale at jpc and elsewhere, any comments?


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« Reply #14244 on: October 13, 2017, 06:04:24 AM »
I've ordered the Ivan disc, it's been dispatched but I haven't received it yet. I have the Muti and Slatkin versions, but they are showing their age a bit, so this brand new recording should give it a fresh look. The conductor is the toast of the town in France, he has replaced Michel Plasson as MD of the Toulouse Capitole Orchestra. He's also principal conductor at the Bolshoď. If you don't know the work, you should buy this disc. At the price it's hard to go wrong.
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« Reply #14245 on: October 14, 2017, 05:18:47 AM »




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« Reply #14246 on: October 19, 2017, 11:37:41 AM »
Caught my eye at a local store:
Chopin: 2nd Sonata, Impromptus, a few Mazurkas (Laure Favre-Khan)
Chopin: Waltzes (Favre-Khan)
Dvořák: 4th Symphony (Milwaukee SO,Mácal)
Prokofiev: Alexander Nevsky, Lt. Kije (Milwaukee SO,Mácal)

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« Reply #14247 on: October 19, 2017, 01:04:52 PM »
Chopin: 2nd Sonata, Impromptus, a few Mazurkas (Laure Favre-Khan)
Chopin: Waltzes (Favre-Khan)


If you like willful/interventionist playing, these might work for you.  (Since taste in willfulness varies, they may not.)
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« Reply #14248 on: October 19, 2017, 09:44:48 PM »
If you like willful/interventionist playing, these might work for you.  (Since taste in willfulness varies, they may not.)

I sometimes like willful/interventionist playing, sometimes not. I spotified the sonata. There are some very nice things but her push-pull rubato is not for me.

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« Reply #14249 on: October 22, 2017, 06:21:11 PM »
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« Reply #14250 on: October 22, 2017, 07:33:54 PM »
Caught my eye at a local store:
Prokofiev: Alexander Nevsky, Lt. Kije (Milwaukee SO,Mácal)
If you have one or more versions, this will probably not be an upgrade. The chorus is the highlight, but only if you like it a bit softer (less edgy). They are beautiful though and they sing with greater control than most. They have their moments in Arise ye Russian People and Battle on the Ice, but even here they bring more beauty than the other stuff. If you are looking for visceral excitement, this is not the one. Speeds are generally slow, with few show stopping moments. The orchestra is ok as long as they are not strained, but I find they lose their cohesiveness on occasion and are prone to ugly sounds at times. I don't care much for the brass tone either. Still, as long as the chorus is singing, there is more to enjoy.

The buildup of Battle of the Ice is mixed, with some ugly instrument sounds, a logical tempo increase (again slow though), but less hard hitting chorus (I'd say too pretty here - I wanted some harder attacks, particularly their first entry, which feels underpowered - they get better as it goes on here). They certainly don't have the weight that many of the best versions have. The soloist for the field of the Dead is Janis Taylor. Her voice isn't particularly dark and she opens up too much at times. I don't like her voice here, but this can be quite an individual thing. Her vibrato, a bit too much at times, certainly isn't among the worst heard, and since she keeps it lighter, it doesn't annoy as some do.

it lacks the Slavic tone throughout and the lighter approach is generally something felt throughout. In and of itself, this doesn't bother me, but I felt there was a bit too much sameness in the attacks, the moderate tempi, and the moderate loudness levels (it lives mostly around mf levels). Lt. Kije seems to generate a bit more excitement at times, but they never really unleash and it is mostly restrained.  They do wake up a bit for 'Troika'. But in Burial of Kije, the sound is unbalanced and the low brass are too dominant (or the trumpet is not prominent enough). The effect is odd. 

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« Reply #14251 on: October 23, 2017, 07:44:00 AM »
Thanks for the detailed comments. I have Temirkanov and Reiner but thought it might be nice to have a version of the Cantata (Temirkanov does the full film score) that isn't translated into English (like Reiner). And I really like the Kodály disc from Mácal in Milwaukee. I went ahead and grabbed the Prokofiev and the Dvořák over the weekend. So far I’ve listened only to “The Noon Witch” which seemed more routine. The store has a generous return policy, so if my first listen aligns with your take I may not keep it.

ETA: sorry to follow the this-thread convention of asking for an opinion then buying it regardless. ???

Edit 2: fixed “Suite” to “Cantata.”
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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #14252 on: October 23, 2017, 09:07:26 AM »
Thanks for the detailed comments. I have Temirkanov and Reiner but thought it might be nice to have a version of the Suite (Temirkanov does the full film score) that isn't translated into English (like Reiner). And I really like the Kodály disc from Mácal in Milwaukee. I went ahead and grabbed the Prokofiev and the Dvořák over the weekend. So far I’ve listened only to “The Noon Witch” which seemed more routine. The store has a generous return policy, so if my first listen aligns with your take I may not keep it.

ETA: sorry to follow the this-thread convention of asking for an opinion then buying it regardless. ???
No worries. My favorite Nevsky is with Stokowski, who gives a scintillating performance. I'd also rather others like Schippers, Abbado, Jarvi, etc. I know Brian really liked Ancerl. The Svetlanov on ICA classics is pretty good too.
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« Reply #14253 on: October 23, 2017, 02:48:27 PM »
No worries. My favorite Nevsky is with Stokowski, who gives a scintillating performance. I'd also rather others like Schippers, Abbado, Jarvi, etc. I know Brian really liked Ancerl. The Svetlanov on ICA classics is pretty good too.

I listened to the Mácal. The performers seemed to hold back for most of the piece, which is not the worst thing since they do step it up somewhat for the coda. But I agree with you on the brass (I have a high tolerance for ugly tone but not much tolerance for off or wobbly intonation) and the soloist. I liked the Kijé more than you did but not enough to keep the disc.

I have sampled several Fields of the Dead on spotify, including your suggestions except for Stokowski. The soprano I liked best was Avdeeva on Svetlanov’s earlier Melodiya recording, which apparently never made it to CD. :(

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« Reply #14254 on: October 23, 2017, 06:41:55 PM »
I listened to the Mácal. The performers seemed to hold back for most of the piece, which is not the worst thing since they do step it up somewhat for the coda. But I agree with you on the brass (I have a high tolerance for ugly tone but not much tolerance for off or wobbly intonation) and the soloist. I liked the Kijé more than you did but not enough to keep the disc.

I have sampled several Fields of the Dead on spotify, including your suggestions except for Stokowski. The soprano I liked best was Avdeeva on Svetlanov’s earlier Melodiya recording, which apparently never made it to CD. :(

You mean this one?




EDIT: I thought I had all but one in my collection, but I don't have this one. So I just ordered it. I'll let you know what I think when I get it.  I also ordered the new Kitajenko last week (which strikes me as sounding gorgeous, but more laid back in the clips). So I am just missing the Rodzinsky in the cantata.
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« Reply #14255 on: October 23, 2017, 09:18:23 PM »
You mean this one?

Nice find! I didn’t think to search for “Nevski.”

This is the one on spotify. Same personnel, similar timings. It’s probably the same recording.

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« Reply #14256 on: October 24, 2017, 03:34:43 AM »
Nice find! I didn’t think to search for “Nevski.”

This is the one on spotify. Same personnel, similar timings. It’s probably the same recording.
It's confusing. The timings are similar, but the dates are different (one may be wrong). I have the Melodiya one, which I think it not as good as the other Svetlanov, but I did not specifically compare the soloists. Anyway, I'lllet you know if they are the same or different.
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« Reply #14257 on: October 24, 2017, 08:53:27 AM »
It's confusing.

As is often the case with Soviet recordings.

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« Reply #14258 on: October 28, 2017, 05:26:23 PM »
It's confusing. The timings are similar, but the dates are different (one may be wrong). I have the Melodiya one, which I think it not as good as the other Svetlanov, but I did not specifically compare the soloists. Anyway, I'lllet you know if they are the same or different.
Based on listening to the soloist, it is the same one.
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« Reply #14259 on: November 01, 2017, 06:01:58 AM »
I can't believe it. Inspired by the recent Bach Cantata thread, I started listening to some of the discs I have. I realized I was blown away by the two Suzuki discs I listened to. I then went online to hear some of the cantatas in entirety.  I loved the transparency and precision. Whatever may have been lacking in spontaneity was more than compensated with meticulous attention to details. So now I am considering this big box (which fills a big hole as I only have a small sampling of cantatas).


It's not cheap at about $200 (via jpc). I listened to some of the Gardiner box, and it seems heavier, the voices in particular. I liked it, but it didn't give me the excitement I felt with Suzuki. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that I am not sure how much listening I would really give it. On the other hand, I know from past experience that the right performances can lead to lots of listening (for example, some Bach piano discs). Anyway, if you have anything to add, I'm open. This will not be an impulse buy!! Maybe I'd be better of with a smaller subset. But then the whole point of buying the wide variety of discs was to try an assess what approach I liked more.

To provide some background, I have a small array of discs from Koopman (highlights, with Koopman, I sometimes get the feeling I am listening to Handel, though always well played), Herreweghe (double disc, always feel like I am om the outside looking in with these, though also quite meticulous), Gardiner (like a lot), Suzuki (from Bach and Beyond, superbly done), and Coin, and one with Lorraine Hunt Lieberson. All of these were recommended by GMG members (and all excellent recommendations). I've not heard from the other boxes yet (though I am planning on tracking some down to listen over the next few days), like Rilling or Harnoncourt.
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