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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #120 on: October 24, 2017, 03:44:55 PM »
I actually like Faschingsschwank so I'll look him up next time I have a chance to listen to music! (also gotta finish my Smetana Quartet Beethovens lol) Honens is a good arty microlabel in general, there was a decent if slow Hammerklavier I heard recently on it by an Asian-American pianist whose name I don't remember now

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #121 on: October 24, 2017, 03:58:26 PM »
there was a decent if slow Hammerklavier I heard recently on it by an Asian-American pianist whose name I don't remember now


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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #122 on: October 24, 2017, 05:24:31 PM »
Yes thank you both. Good job.

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #123 on: October 30, 2017, 04:41:48 AM »

I have this set, and Thibaudet's technique and sense of colour is amazing. His ultra-light style of playing, however, seems to me a hinderance in some of the "heavier" music (like Gaspard de la Nuit). Still, he plays the Miriors incredibly. Amazon has samples, so I think you could get a pretty good idea whether or not you like his style from those. :)

I have this Thibaudet set.  I can't say it's better/worse than any other version, but I can say that I love his playing on this.  The recording quality is also quite good.  Recommended!

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2017, 04:45:22 AM »
I have this Thibaudet set.  I can't say it's better/worse than any other version, but I can say that I love his playing on this.  The recording quality is also quite good.  Recommended!

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #125 on: October 30, 2017, 08:36:43 AM »
If you consider Quebec as a french province colony wrongly usurpated by the british empire...   But then you may also be caught up in some heavy crossfire as a sizable minority (?) in Quebec would still like to gain its independence from Canada.

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« Reply #126 on: October 31, 2017, 11:57:32 AM »
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The Samson FranÁois set is another where most who have an opinion on this find it indispensable.

Monique Haas also recorded it all, another set with a phenomenal display of pianism coupled w the profoundest caliber of musicianship.

... and there is Vlado Perlemuter, whom, regardless if there is a complete set, or the quality (by age) of the recordings, I urgently recommend you to check out.



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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #127 on: October 31, 2017, 01:32:04 PM »
The Samson FranÁois set is another where most who have an opinion on this find it indispensable.

Monique Haas also recorded it all, another set with a phenomenal display of pianism coupled w the profoundest caliber of musicianship.

... and there is Vlado Perlemuter, whom, regardless if there is a complete set, or the quality (by age) of the recordings, I urgently recommend you to check out.


The original thread is a decade old.  I've listened to all those and many more.  Chamayou is the king.  For now. 

Of the ones you mention, the Francois is far and away my favorite.  The EMI/Warner Francois big box is as indispensable as the Cortot big box, but in some ways even more satisfying.  Even when Francois was not on top form, he was compelling. 
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #128 on: November 06, 2017, 04:54:28 AM »

The original thread is a decade old.  I've listened to all those and many more.  Chamayou is the king.  For now. 

Of the ones you mention, the Francois is far and away my favorite.  The EMI/Warner Francois big box is as indispensable as the Cortot big box, but in some ways even more satisfying.  Even when Francois was not on top form, he was compelling.

Alrighty, then.  All that's left to be desired is more undiscovered Ravel piano solo works to be 'discovered' and then recorded!
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #129 on: November 06, 2017, 05:39:44 AM »
Alrighty, then.  All that's left to be desired is more undiscovered Ravel piano solo works to be 'discovered' and then recorded!
Wikipedia lists a juvenile work by a teenaged Ravel, variations on a theme from Grieg's Peer Gynt...wouldn't mind hearing that.

The "Daphnis" piano suite, recently recorded by Florian Uhlig, is mighty good.

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #130 on: November 06, 2017, 06:43:47 AM »
Wikipedia lists a juvenile work by a teenaged Ravel, variations on a theme from Grieg's Peer Gynt...wouldn't mind hearing that.

Neither would I, but has anyone recorded it? Better question: has it been published?
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #131 on: November 06, 2017, 09:16:17 AM »
Neither would I, but has anyone recorded it? Better question: has it been published?
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #132 on: November 16, 2017, 01:48:12 PM »
First, I should say that Ravel is one of my favorite composers, and I especially admire his solo piano music. So, I've heard a great many recordings over the years.  In my mind, I tend to separate the interpretations of French pianists from non-French pianists, as I find the French often bring a special Gallic sensibility, if you will, & distinctive piano touch to both Ravel & Debussy.  Although I must admit that, since I know so many recordings by French pianists, I'm also quite fascinated (& refreshed) to encounter non-French pianists playing Ravel with a remarkable imagination--such as Ivo Pogorelich, Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli, & Claudio Arrau in Ravel's Gaspard de la Nuit, for example (even if they're not very Gallic sounding).

Secondly, I would say that I've also found it a great benefit to hear pianists that knew and worked with Ravel, such as Jacques Fevrier, Robert & Gaby Casadesus, and Vlado Perlemuter (as well as present day pianists that studied with these friends of Ravel); along with Ravel's own piano rolls.

My favorite sets & individual recordings from the older French pianists include those by Jacques Fevrier (despite his advanced age at the time he recorded this music), Monique Haas (her earlier recordings are her most stunning), Madaleine de ValmalŤtte--whose Le Tombeau de Couperin has arguably never been surpassed, and Samson FranÁois, whose richly imaginative Miroirs remains one of the best I've ever heard. 

Among present day French pianists, I've most liked sets by Philippe Bianconi (a student of Gaby Casadesus), Jean-Yves Thibaudet (who, along with FranÁois is the only other pianist I've ever heard that understands the Jazz influence in Ravel's Prelude), Jacques Rouvier, Georges Pludermacher (a student of Fevrier), and to a slightly lesser degree, Jean-Phillipe Collard, Jean-Efflam Bavouzet, & Anne Queffelec, who are also very fine.

In recent years, I've admired two sets--from Bertrand Chamayou & the German pianist Florian Uhlig, though I probably wouldn't jump to recommend either as a first or second choice, at least not in preference to those mentioned above (or to Alpers mentioned below).

(I'd also be keen to hear Michel Dalberto (a Perlemuter student) and Alain PlanŤs (a Fevrier student) tackle this music at some point. Yes, I'm a little nuts about Ravel.)

Among non-French pianists, as mentioned, I've long admired the recordings of Gaspard de la Nuit by Pogorelich, Michelangeli, and Arrau.  I'm also currently engaged and hugely impressed by a recent Ravel set from pianist Hinrich Alpers, who's new to me and one of the most impressive pianists I've heard in a long time! It becomes immediately apparent from the first notes that Alpers has thought very deeply about this music, and has some real ideas about how Ravel should be played.  He also has a stunning technique.  My only hesitation in giving Alpers my highest recommendation is that the set is new to me, and I don't know as yet how it will wear on me over time: I confess I have a tendency to get overly excited when I discover a new pianist of real stature (and I'm presently having to restrain myself from declaring it the best set of the digital era!).  I simply need more time with it.

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #133 on: November 18, 2017, 07:18:41 AM »
Thank you for this very nice and thoughtful writeup, Josquin.  I have a much more limited collection than you do of Ravel Piano music.  However, for the one I have, I fully agree with your comments.
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #134 on: November 22, 2017, 02:11:10 PM »
Played the Ravel from Marcelle Meyer's big EMI box again yesterday and think it's excellent! Not as deeply into the music ao I could point out favourites for particular pieces though.
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #135 on: November 22, 2017, 02:24:27 PM »
Played the Ravel from Marcelle Meyer's big EMI box again yesterday and think it's excellent! Not as deeply into the music ao I could point out favourites for particular pieces though.

I haven't heard her Ravel, just her Bach.  But it reminded me of a recording I've wondered about:



Anyone know it and would offer some comments?

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #136 on: November 22, 2017, 03:01:05 PM »
You're welcome, Spineur.

I neglected to mention Marcelle Meyer and Yvonne Lefťbure among the older French pianists (& Reine Gianoli), as I haven't heard their Ravel.  I'm curious--did they know Ravel personally?   I do know that Meyer was Erik Satie's favorite pianist, and as a young woman she worked on Debussy's Preludes with Debussy, so I would imagine her Ravel is worthwhile.

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #137 on: November 22, 2017, 03:46:25 PM »
That is a great set.  I also enjoy this one a lot.



I bought this when it first came out but haven't listened to it much.  I am now.  I generally like Hewitt's playing.

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #138 on: November 24, 2017, 12:34:11 AM »
Played the Ravel from Marcelle Meyer's big EMI box again yesterday and think it's excellent! Not as deeply into the music ao I could point out favourites for particular pieces though.

I got a copy of the Meyer after reading your comments some months ago.  I agree with you completely.  She's really got something.  Will try her Ravel later.
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