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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2007, 05:29:28 PM »
I saw Casadesus's complete set today in a used store and suddenly realized that I don't have very much of his music, especially the piano.

So, who do you like in the piano works? Casadesus? Gieseking?

Please tell me why you like who you like.

I would like to start with a set, unless that would be unwise for some reason.

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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2007, 07:58:05 PM »
Well, I couldn't wait. I got Casadesus's set as a download for $7.

I am listening to it now and I must say I think he does well here.

The agitated moments are wonderfully played without going over the top and the softer moments are sweet, tender. 

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2007, 08:50:08 PM »
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2007, 05:20:42 AM »
You can also check out Vlado Perlemuter, friend of Ravel and interpreter of all his piano works that he subsequently recorded. Almost a centenarian, (1904-2002) he played publicly until the age of 89. He played among other works, a beautiful Barcarolle by Chopin, captured on film when he was around 90 or so.

You can also look up Martha Argerich's playing Gaspard de la Nuit. This happens to be on the same CD as Prokofiev's 3rd Piano Concerto and Ravel's Piano Concerto in G (Deutsche Grammophon).

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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2007, 08:05:45 AM »
I obviously enjoy both the Simon and Bavouzet immensely (the Simon just a bit more), but Robert Casadesus still sets the standard for me.  Heís refined and precise and elegant and just seems to have the music in his blood. 

I have Michael Endresí set on order right now, and have high hopes.  His Schumann, and, especially, Schubert and Mozart are superb.  Heís more expressive in quieter moments, and that should work well with at least some of Ravelís music. 
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2007, 08:08:08 AM »
I obviously enjoy both the Simon and Bavouzet immensely (the Simon just a bit more),

Good news! The Simon is only a fraction of the cost.  :D

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but Robert Casadesus still sets the standard for me.  Heís refined and precise and elegant and just seems to have the music in his blood. 

Yes, I have only heard CD 1, but I am very impressed with what I have heard.

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I have Michael Endresí set on order right now, and have high hopes.  His Schumann, and, especially, Schubert and Mozart are superb.  Heís more expressive in quieter moments, and that should work well with at least some of Ravelís music. 

Someone on rmcr raves about this pianist, but I have never heard him.  :)

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2008, 04:33:46 PM »


P.S. someone should start a Ravel thread on the Composer Discussion board!
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2008, 06:06:07 PM »
It's bound to be pretty solid. Rogť has carved out a niche for himself in French repertoire (though I haven't heard this disc). His Poulenc is divine, though for me his Debussy, while good, isn't one of the front-runners.

For a knockout Ravel collection the one I most favor is Bavouzet. His choice of piano is a 1901 Steinway D, which has a honey-sweet, burnished sound. The sonority is more on the intimate side, without the hall-engulfing power of a present-day Steinway. But that's the pleasure of it.




Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2008, 07:11:34 PM »
You can't do without the Vlado Perlemuter set. I have the Vox LPs, and they have been re-issued (two different performances?) on CD a number of times. I'm not sure which one to buy, but I would guess someone here would. Gieseking is very good in this repertiore as well.
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2008, 07:17:03 PM »

I have this set, and Thibaudet's technique and sense of colour is amazing. His ultra-light style of playing, however, seems to me a hinderance in some of the "heavier" music (like Gaspard de la Nuit). Still, he plays the Miriors incredibly. Amazon has samples, so I think you could get a pretty good idea whether or not you like his style from those. :)

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2008, 06:35:45 PM »
The Roge set is very good, but better can be had.  The Bavouzet set is certainly among the better ones I've heard (and sonically breath-taking), but Abbey Simon and Robert Casadesus are the tops.  The Simon is in excellent sound, the Casadesus in good mono. 
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2008, 07:24:04 PM »
The Roge set is very good, but better can be had.  The Bavouzet set is certainly among the better ones I've heard (and sonically breath-taking), but Abbey Simon and Robert Casadesus are the tops.  The Simon is in excellent sound, the Casadesus in good mono. 

Casadesus is another one on my list (to buy and listen to). Have you heard the Perlemuter and Gieseking? How do you think they compare to Casadesus?

In any case, Gaspard (likely the Gieseking rendition) is on my list for Halloween listening.
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2008, 02:12:44 AM »
What do you guys think of the Jacques Fevrier set?

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2008, 02:24:13 AM »
I know we're talking about complete sets here, but maybe this is a place to mention a recording of Miroirs from a slightly unexpected quarter which - maybe I'm alone in this - I find really stunning:



The playing isn't always in the Ravel tradition, but it convinces on its own terms. What astonishes me, however, is Chiu's huge tonal variety and tonal control and his ultra-delicate touch. The Decaux is equally stunning in this respect - I simply don't know how he manages to make some of the details of the music sound as he does. The Schoenberg is fine, too.


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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2008, 04:03:46 AM »
I thought I'd post this for anyone who hasn't seen it.
It's Perlemuter playing Ondine at the age of 90 odd.It's what persuaded me that I needed to get one of his Ravel sets.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez1s9JCzvQg

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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2008, 12:32:52 PM »
Have you heard the Perlemuter and Gieseking?


I have Perlemuter's Vox recordings, and they are very good indeed.  Probably my favorite Jeux d'eau.  His technique isn't the best ever, but it's up to the challenge.  Sound is slightly better than acceptable.  Gieseking is Gieseking, but here his approach doesn't work as relatively well as for Debussy.  HIs Gaspard lacks a little something, though his Le Tombeau tickles the ears.  It's hit and miss, though the pianism is generally well above average.
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Re: Whatís the best complete set of Ravelís piano music?
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2008, 12:44:27 PM »
Any opinions on the set by Heidi Lowy on Bayer?  I've had this set for about two years, but haven't listened lately.  I remember liking what I heard though.

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