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Offline jwinter

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2012, 05:49:29 AM »
Unfortunately that Morvec CD with the Debussy doesn't have the best of his mazurkas, I would say. For that you need to go to the CD with the Chopin Scherzos, and the live CD from Brussels, released a couple of years ago.

Do try that collection of mazurkas from Pollini that I found on youtube, from London in 2008. i've been enjoying it all day.

I will definitely try it this evening -- can't youtube at work, alas...
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2012, 05:50:25 AM »
I will definitely try it this evening -- can't youtube at work, alas...

You're at work? Shame on you!  ;D
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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2012, 06:33:38 AM »
I'm temping -- you get what you pay for  ;D
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2012, 06:47:47 AM »
I'm temping -- you get what you pay for  ;D

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2012, 07:19:08 AM »
Just for fun, what are your thoughts on the three Mazurkas on this disc:

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2012, 07:46:21 AM »
Thanks to JW's thread here and a rec from Miloš, I just submitted my request to Amazon for this, which gives me about a fifth:



This is the second cd from my request of folks from their top two, stone-cold-lead-pipe-lock-pay $50 for it, if you have to---must have on your shelf and if you do not, you cannot call yourself a fan of Chopin cds. 

If you have not added to this list of Chopin cds I need to purchase, please do so with a IM to me.
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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2012, 08:08:44 AM »
 Quote from: Bogey on Today at 12:46:21 PM
Thanks to JW's thread here and a rec from Miloš, I just submitted my request to Amazon for this, which gives me about a fifth:

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This is the second cd from my request of folks from their top two, stone-cold-lead-pipe-lock-pay $50 for it, if you have to---must have on your shelf and if you do not, you cannot call yourself a fan of Chopin cds. 

If you have not added to this list of Chopin cds I need to purchase, please do so with a IM to me.
   
Hey, waitaminnit!   $:)
 
I've actually got this one!   :D   I got it several years ago as part of this set:
 


 
Yippee!
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2012, 10:21:36 AM »
Quote from: Mandryka on Today at 04:57:04 PM
Why do you like the last Rubinstein set the most? Do you enjoy old recordings? The answers to these questions will help me give you a better answer tomorrow.

It's hard to describe why I like Rubinstein's mazurkas so much.  I like them for their lyrical quality, for how they project a deep sense of Romanticism without becoming mushy or sentimental.  I love the way he makes the melodies flow so naturally, nothing sounds contrived or forced, like the notes are just falling off his fingers.  His tone is beautiful, soft or vigorous as necessary but never harsh, and it's beautifully recorded.  And this is largely in my own head, I know, but I can't help but hear a certain nostalgic, autumnal quality in the 1960s recording, as if these are works he's thought about for a very long time, and he knows that this may be his last chance to capture his reading for posterity, so he wants to do it just right, nothing eccentric, just Chopin as he feels it should be played.

Some of these stereo mazurkas are extraordinary, but in general I prefer Rubinstein's middle (mono LP) recording. Of course there's nostalgia in the music, but I don't think we should overdose on the autumnal aspect.

There's an amazing Sofronitsky recital with a string of mazurkas and waltzes that is just indispensible.

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2012, 10:33:59 AM »
Yep, I seem to be in the minority, preferring the Rubinstein stereo to the 1950's mono set.  It may just be a matter of greater familiarity -- I will definitely give the mono set a serious re-listen soon.

Agree that the autumnal thing can be overdone -- you hear it all the time, for instance about Bruno Walter's Columbia Symphony recordings.  But it's a useful verbal crutch for me when trying to describe how I hear these:  there's a certain aristocratic quality about them, a slight reticence and holding back in the dancing melody that enhances rather than diminishes the experience; as I said, it's a purely gut-level reaction, so it's hard to describe...
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2012, 10:39:18 AM »
Yep, I seem to be in the minority, preferring the Rubinstein stereo to the 1950's mono set.  It may just be a matter of greater familiarity -- I will definitely give the mono set a serious re-listen soon.


well, I really prefer both. There are a bunch of pieces on the stereo set that are just stunningly beautiful. The great thing about having these three different sets (and the same goes for all of his Chopin) it prevents you from always listening to the same stuff.

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2012, 11:56:53 AM »
This is the second cd from my request of folks from their top two, stone-cold-lead-pipe-lock-pay $50 for it, if you have to---must have on your shelf and if you do not, you cannot call yourself a fan of Chopin cds. 
 
I've actually got this one!   :D   I got it several years ago as part of this set:
 


 
Yippee!

Yeah, Bill. Cancel that order and put in one for the DG set. Lots of great stuff in there and I bet it's still cheap.
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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2012, 12:18:32 PM »
I think the best of Michelangeli's Mazurkas are on Aura rather than on DG, this CD for example:



I have it as CD 8 of the big cheap brown  box.
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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2012, 12:23:29 PM »
I'm not huge fan of Luisada (DG/Newton).

Neither am I, being of medium-build. ;D

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2012, 12:26:35 PM »
I think my favourite recording of the mazurkas is the Ashkenazy: extremely passionate, intense and elegant. Anyway, I have to admit that it's a hard contest between this and Rubinstein's interpretation....

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2012, 02:28:14 PM »
I just ran through Artie's '65 Mazurkas today....some twice.  He is just one of those cats that I dig no matter the recording.  The set for $24 is still one of the best bargains....ever! 



Even if he is not in your top few, it is nuts to pass on the box.
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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2012, 04:22:51 PM »
I just ran through Artie's '65 Mazurkas today....some twice.  He is just one of those cats that I dig no matter the recording.  The set for $24 is still one of the best bargains....ever! 



Even if he is not in your top few, it is nuts to pass on the box.

It isn't nuts if, like me, you already have most of what's in that box.  I think I only lack the sonatas and the mazurkas from what is in there. 

I did notice that the stereo recording of the Nocturnes--my favorite Chopin recording, period-- is on its own ridiculously cheap--under $16--if you don't want the full box.


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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2012, 05:31:45 PM »
I actually just ran across another bunch of Mazurkas I didn't realize I had -- Janusz Olejniczak, which came bundled with the Sokolov Preludes I ordered a while back.  More fun to explore.

Speaking of exploring, my sincere thanks to the kind member who gave me a chance to preview the first Luisada.  :D   I shall give them a listen as well over the weekend and report back...
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2012, 05:41:51 PM »
I've never heard of Michel Block, thanks for the tip.



If ever you go for Block, go for the ProPiano recording first.  (The Guild recording is very slow.)  Do remember that Rubinstein himself created the Rubinstein prize on the spot for Michel Block in 1960 when he did not win the Chopin compeition.  (Pollini won.)

Ever heard that Michelangeli sought a sound of organ and violin?  Block largely achieves it.
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Re: Chopin's mazurkas
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2012, 09:18:58 PM »
A couple of other excellent Michelangeli mazurka recordings which I'd forgotten about yesterday:

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