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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #940 on: February 04, 2018, 07:07:08 AM »
I came across what looks to be another Asian market cycle in the making: The Excelsior Quartet.  Their site lists Opp 59, 127, and 135, and a new release with the Op 18 quartets is slated for release in Japan in the next month or two.  Maybe they stop at eleven quartets.
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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #941 on: February 04, 2018, 07:44:33 AM »
Did Michel Bernstein have anything to do with the original Calliope recordings by the Talich? I don't think so. The stereo Vegh qt. was on Bernstein's label Valois, though. Probably you are thinking of that one. The Calliope founder was Jacques Le Calvé (I had to look this up).
I have a single disc but while still unter Calliope it is also re-issue and has only a brief text. It contains op.59/1 and 74 and it is very good although fairly relaxed, more intense in the slow movements.
I think I was less fond of another one but this was 25 years ago and I am not even sure which one it was, probably op.59/2 +130, or one incl. op.59/3.
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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #942 on: February 04, 2018, 07:03:40 PM »
Opinions on this set of the late quartets ?


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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #943 on: February 04, 2018, 07:17:27 PM »
Opinions on this set of the late quartets ?


From what I remember, rather middle of the road.
The complete cycle is available as a Sony cheapie budget set, so if you get it,  I would suggest that.

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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #944 on: February 04, 2018, 10:15:22 PM »
Opinions on this set of the late quartets ?



It's revelatory for its restrained, elegant, lyrical, beautiful, polished, refined and delicate vision of late Beethoven.
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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #945 on: February 04, 2018, 10:37:26 PM »
It's revelatory for its restrained, elegant, lyrical, beautiful, polished, refined and delicate vision of late Beethoven.

Seven adjectives. Must be something to hear. :)

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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #946 on: February 04, 2018, 11:15:39 PM »
Opinions on this set of the late quartets ?



Beautifully played.  You can find it on Amazon for a little more than $10 plus shipping.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B008BOWG7C/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1517814328&sr=1-1&keywords=tokyo+string+quartet+beethoven

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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #947 on: February 05, 2018, 06:35:08 AM »
Thanks, guys ! :)

Actually, besides my admiration for the Tokyos, there is a cost factor: it’s 7.61$ on Amazon prime (free shipping). But there’s only one set available, so I’d better act fast !

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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #948 on: February 05, 2018, 06:54:23 AM »
There is also a complete reissue of these Tokyo SQ recordings incl. the string quintet as a cheap "white box", probably the most economical option:


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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #949 on: February 05, 2018, 07:15:31 AM »
Seven adjectives. Must be something to hear. :)

Eight

revelatory
restrained
elegant
lyrical
beautiful
polished
refined
delicate
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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #950 on: February 05, 2018, 07:46:38 AM »
There is also a complete reissue of these Tokyo SQ recordings incl. the string quintet as a cheap "white box", probably the most economical option:



I know, but I’m not in the market for op 18 and I have other sets/singles for the middle quartets.

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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #951 on: February 05, 2018, 10:41:24 AM »
Eight

revelatory
restrained
elegant
lyrical
beautiful
polished
refined
delicate

The thing is: are the 'restrained,' 'elegant,' 'refined' and 'delicate' really things LvB was asking for?

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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #952 on: February 05, 2018, 10:44:30 AM »
Eight

revelatory
restrained
elegant
lyrical
beautiful
polished
refined
delicate

Granted, but I was only counting up adjectives modifying "vision." :)


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Re: Beethoven's String Quartets
« Reply #953 on: February 05, 2018, 12:07:20 PM »
The thing is: are the 'restrained,' 'elegant,' 'refined' and 'delicate' really things LvB was asking for?

I have no idea. In the late quartets at least, it's not obvious to me that he wasn't, with the exception possibly of op 133 and some moments of parody and comedy. That's to say, the Tokyo approach isn't inconsistent with Beethoven's ideas as transmitted as far as I know. It's probably as "valid" an approach as (e g) the Juilliard's aggressive style. But I could well be wrong, maybe someone's studied the question. I'd have to see how well Tokyo deal with parody in (eg) op 130/v-- my memory is that their op 130 is very good, but I'd have to check. I'd also like to hear again what they do with 132/ii.

Mosaiques sound different of course, but I wonder if in some fundamental sense they have a similar conception of what late Beethoven was up to.
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