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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2780 on: June 29, 2017, 12:07:00 AM »
I think in some ways, this symphony captures a longing for a place and time that are gone forever. 
Well said. Something similar holds true for the Pastoral and even the Lark Ascending - which on completion after WWI he made even more into a monument of a lost world before. The big difference is, that the Pastoral and Fifth not only bring in nostalgia and innocence, but also awareness of the present tragedy and life wisdom.
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« Reply #2781 on: June 29, 2017, 02:39:04 AM »
I will re-listen to that but to me, there are just so many breathtakingly poignant moments in Previn's LSO No. 5.  I don't think he captured quite the same magic with the Royal Phil though the sound is better.  The phrasing, breathing, sense of nostalgia is just so palpable.  I think in some ways, this symphony captures a longing for a place and time that are gone forever.  Sort of like a Rachmaninoff piece written during his self imposed exile and longing for a Russia of his youth that will never again exist.
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« Reply #2782 on: July 04, 2017, 09:30:36 AM »
For me the Violin Sonata with the SQ No 2 is VW's finest chamber works. It's one of those late craggy works which greatly appeal to me

Repeated praise for this work caused me to pick up this disc:



The Violin Sonata is indeed late and craggy, but more importantly, a couple of listens have convinced me it really is a first-rate piece of chamber music. I don't normally associate VW with chamber music, but this strikes me as being on the same quality level as those late Shostakovich sonatas (violin and viola).

The rest of the disc is good, but the late craggy Violin Sonata is the highlight.
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« Reply #2783 on: July 04, 2017, 12:17:57 PM »
Repeated praise for this work caused me to pick up this disc:



The Violin Sonata is indeed late and craggy, but more importantly, a couple of listens have convinced me it really is a first-rate piece of chamber music. I don't normally associate VW with chamber music, but this strikes me as being on the same quality level as those late Shostakovich sonatas (violin and viola).

The rest of the disc is good, but the late craggy Violin Sonata is the highlight.
Delighted that you enjoyed and it does indeed rate highly in the 'late craggy' chamber music genre ( 8)).
I don't think that the Shostakovich comparison is misplaced either and agree with you. We don't hear much about Vaughan Williams's chamber works as he didn't write that much, preferring orchestral and vocal/choral works instead. There is not that much piano music either although I like 'The Lake in the Mountains' piano adaptation of one of VW's film scores, which also features on your new CD. I recall a good late photo of VW in the booklet too - looking especially craggy in his tweed jacket if I remember correctly. The SQ No.2 'For Jean on her Birthday' is VG as well.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2784 on: July 07, 2017, 09:55:23 PM »
Interesting looking new collection. Always interesting to hear a non-British orchestra playing VW.


As a resident of Sussex I obviously have to have this CD.  8)
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« Reply #2785 on: July 08, 2017, 12:30:24 AM »
Always interesting to hear a non-British orchestra playing VW.
Really? "Deutsche Staatsphilharmonie Rheinland-Pfalz" sounds very English to my ears.  :D
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« Reply #2786 on: July 08, 2017, 06:02:52 AM »
Really? "Deutsche Staatsphilharmonie Rheinland-Pfalz" sounds very English to my ears.  :D
You're absolutely right - they're based in Basingstoke.  8)
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« Reply #2787 on: August 05, 2017, 02:17:35 PM »
New release:

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« Reply #2788 on: August 05, 2017, 10:40:15 PM »
New release:

In April, Sir Mark Elder did the Fourth in Rotterdam, but not without first adressing the audience. He's the foremost RVW conductor of our times. He's the first to reverse the order: the Fourth after the Sixth. As I prefer the Sixth, it might help.  :)
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2789 on: August 06, 2017, 01:26:43 AM »
In April, Sir Mark Elder did the Fourth in Rotterdam, but not without first adressing the audience. He's the foremost RVW conductor of our times. He's the first to reverse the order: the Fourth after the Sixth. As I prefer the Sixth, it might help.  :)
Me too. They tend to link 4 and 6 as the stormiest but I wish they would work chronologically like 5 and 6 together (Slatkin and Marriner).
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« Reply #2790 on: August 06, 2017, 04:20:30 PM »
Interesting looking new collection. Always interesting to hear a non-British orchestra playing VW.


As a resident of Sussex I obviously have to have this CD.  8)

And as a resident of Rheinland-Pfalz (the Staatsphilharmonie is my local band) I obviously have to have this CD too.

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2791 on: August 06, 2017, 04:26:41 PM »
What can you do,Sarge?! ::) ;D It does sound intriguing,though! A good orchestra too;from what I've heard of them.

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« Reply #2792 on: August 06, 2017, 04:52:33 PM »
What can you do,Sarge?! ::) ;D It does sound intriguing,though! A good orchestra too;from what I've heard of them.

Yes, the program is appealing and the orchestra a good one. Pre-ordered it.

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2793 on: August 07, 2017, 03:31:58 AM »
The Poisoned Kiss: an opera? Or instrumental music from?
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2794 on: August 07, 2017, 04:02:49 AM »
The Poisoned Kiss: an opera? Or instrumental music from?
Just the - rather brisk and crisp - Overture from the opera.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2795 on: August 07, 2017, 04:30:53 AM »
Just the - rather brisk and crisp - Overture from the opera.

Thanks. Based on Hawthorne’s “Rappaccini’s Daughter,” or do I misremember?
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2796 on: August 13, 2017, 04:56:05 AM »
The Poisoned Kiss is my favourite Vaughan Williams opera. Although,he was trying to emulate Gilbert and Sullivan;it doesn't come across as an operetta. I should know? My shelves are groaning (literally?!!) with them.

I've been listening to recordings of the Sinfonia Antartica. I generally like Boult's recordings of VW;but I have to say that his stereo recording of it seemed a bit of a snooze-fest next to Previn and Haitink. I actually used to like it before I heard them! I also much prefer Boult's earlier mono recording. I actually like the ones with the talking bits. (That said,I hope they don't do one with Simon Callow!! ::) ).

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2797 on: August 13, 2017, 05:50:02 AM »
Interesting looking new collection. Always interesting to hear a non-British orchestra playing VW.


As a resident of Sussex I obviously have to have this CD.  8)
Don't hesitate with this - it's a very fine CD. I enjoyed it enormously. All credit to the Deutsche Staatsphilhamonie Rheinland-Pflalz and their conductor Karl-Heinz Steffens as well as Martin Rummel the cellist in the Fantasia on Sussex Folk Tunes (1924/25). The performance of 'In the Fen Country' - perhaps the first work of VW's musical maturity was, I thought, deeply moving and beautifully recorded - the highlight of the CD although I enjoyed every work from the folksy 'Poisoned Kiss Overture' to 'The England of Elizabeth' with its echoes of the contemporaneous Ninth Symphony. I listened to the CD for the first time having dropped my daughter off at Gatwick Airport for her return flight to The Ukraine so maybe my sad mood influenced my response to 'In the Fen Country' but I'm just playing through the whole disc again and find the performance to be wonderfully impassioned. Interesting to get a mid-European view of this music, including the thoughtful booklet notes. The icing on the cake is two fine photos of VW from opposite ends of his careeer - in military uniform and a characteristic warm-hearted photo of him from much later. 
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2798 on: August 13, 2017, 06:00:10 AM »
The Poisoned Kiss is my favourite Vaughan Williams opera. Although,he was trying to emulate Gilbert and Sullivan;it doesn't come across as an operetta. I should know? My shelves are groaning (literally?!!) with them.

I've been listening to recordings of the Sinfonia Antartica. I generally like Boult's recordings of VW;but I have to say that his stereo recording of it seemed a bit of a snooze-fest next to Previn and Haitink. I actually used to like it before I heard them! I also much prefer Boult's earlier mono recording. I actually like the ones with the talking bits. (That said,I hope they don't do one with Simon Callow!! ::) ).
The early Boult/Decca Sinfonia Antartica is IMHO the best performance on record although there are many more recent recordings. VW would presumably have been in the studio for the recording. There is something about Boult's objective way with VW which really suits the symphony.
I'm also happy to have the spoken excerpts included and agree that a recording with Simon Callow (recorded live from the Hospital for Overacting) would not be recommended. The late Robert Hardy was another inmate there.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2799 on: August 17, 2017, 08:20:07 AM »
I seem to be turning into a big fan of the Fourth Symphony,of late! I love this combination. No's 3 and 4,on the same cd. Only a few months ago I would have wanted the Fourth on a separate cd. Probably coupled with the Ninth. Now,I'm exhilarated by the prospect of those grinding chords crashing in after No 3!
Another combination I'm beginning to really enjoy is  No 6 & 9. I've got the Handley cd's at present,and they sound pretty good to me. I like his Vaughan Williams. They often seemed to be the first ones (or first,digital ones) I heard,back in the days when they actually stocked classical cd's,and musicassettes,in shops like WH Smiths and,the once ubiquitous,Woolworths!
I notice,the Previn and Haitink cd's couple 3 & 4,and Previn 6 & 9. Any thoughts?!!

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