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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2800 on: August 17, 2017, 09:15:59 AM »
I seem to be turning into a big fan of the Fourth Symphony,of late! I love this combination. No's 3 and 4,on the same cd. Only a few months ago I would have wanted the Fourth on a separate cd. Probably coupled with the Ninth. Now,I'm exhilarated by the prospect of those grinding chords crashing in after No 3!

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2801 on: September 09, 2017, 03:07:09 PM »
Final release in Hickox/Davis cycle:

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2802 on: September 12, 2017, 02:53:13 AM »
Another great looking new release - especially as it is of the 1920 version and therefore includes the magical, poetic section just before the Epilogue which Vaughan Williams excised (mistakenly IMHO) in 1936.
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Hyperion/CDA68190
Great cover art and interesting shorter works. Definitely on my Christmas list!
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2803 on: September 12, 2017, 06:59:10 AM »
So there are no more major works of RVW awaiting a recording, right?  We now have all there is?

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2804 on: September 12, 2017, 12:55:50 PM »
So there are no more major works of RVW awaiting a recording, right?  We now have all there is?
Certainly not. There still is:
- incidental music for The Merry Wives of Windsor (1913), Richard II (1913), Henry IV (1913), Richard III (1913), Henry V (1913), The Devil's Disciple (1913);
- the orchestral version of On Christmas Night (1926) (it's on Youtube in a live performance by the Limburg SO and it's even better);
- The Abinger Pageant (1934, a cooperation with E.M. Forster) and the other pageant they cooperated on in the 1930s, cannot remember its name at the moment, but together they would make another great CD with a story worth telling;
- the Cello Concerto (1942-58, no doubt somebody is going to finish it  :D ).
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2805 on: September 12, 2017, 04:17:24 PM »
Certainly not. There still is:
- incidental music for The Merry Wives of Windsor (1913), Richard II (1913), Henry IV (1913), Richard III (1913), Henry V (1913), The Devil's Disciple (1913);
- the orchestral version of On Christmas Night (1926) (it's on Youtube in a live performance by the Limburg SO and it's even better);
- The Abinger Pageant (1934, a cooperation with E.M. Forster) and the other pageant they cooperated on in the 1930s, cannot remember its name at the moment, but together they would make another great CD with a story worth telling;
- the Cello Concerto (1942-58, no doubt somebody is going to finish it  :D ).

I thought what we have of the Cello Concerto is David Matthews's dark pastoral and of your incidental music list, I have many of these on CD so I am confused by your list.

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2806 on: September 12, 2017, 05:09:27 PM »
I thought what we have of the Cello Concerto is David Matthews's dark pastoral and of your incidental music list, I have many of these on CD so I am confused by your list.
Dark Pastoral is what David Matthews could make of the slow movement, isn't it? But please tell me: what CD - I think there's one in the making, but don't know it yet - contains these incidental music compositions from 1913?  ::)
(There are a number of earlier pieces still unrecorded, but the question was about 'major works').
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2807 on: September 13, 2017, 07:10:46 AM »
So there are no more major works of RVW awaiting a recording, right?  We now have all there is?

Before his death wasn't RVW also working on a choral or operatic work called Thomas The Rhymer (which is also a folk song in its own right)?

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2808 on: September 14, 2017, 11:30:32 AM »
Another great looking new release - especially as it is of the 1920 version and therefore includes the magical, poetic section just before the Epilogue which Vaughan Williams excised (mistakenly IMHO) in 1936.
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Hyperion/CDA68190
Great cover art and interesting shorter works. Definitely on my Christmas list!

Let’s get a closer look at the cover art and the track information:



http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/notes/68190-B.pdf
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2809 on: September 15, 2017, 01:41:55 AM »
Let’s get a closer look at the cover art and the track information:



http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/notes/68190-B.pdf
Thanks John.
love the cover art!
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2810 on: September 15, 2017, 06:24:42 AM »
Certainly not. There still is:
- incidental music for The Merry Wives of Windsor (1913), Richard II (1913), Henry IV (1913), Richard III (1913), Henry V (1913), The Devil's Disciple (1913)

Is incidental music major work?  Not that your post is not fully of interest, mind.  I was just a little surprised at the reply.
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2811 on: September 15, 2017, 06:26:10 AM »
Another great looking new release - especially as it is of the 1920 version and therefore includes the magical, poetic section just before the Epilogue which Vaughan Williams excised (mistakenly IMHO) in 1936.
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Hyperion/CDA68190
Great cover art and interesting shorter works. Definitely on my Christmas list!

So is this the same version as the Hickox, or an intermediary version?  Draw me a diagram, I prithee!  0:)
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2812 on: September 15, 2017, 10:55:00 AM »
So is this the same version as the Hickox, or an intermediary version?  Draw me a diagram, I prithee!  0:)
It's simple, in letters:
1914  A London  - the full score, lasting over an hour
1920  A Lnden  - drastic cuts in the slow movement and finale, but adding some new music to the scherzo
1934  A Lden   - more drastic cuts in the slow movement and finale, about 20 minutes of the music in total,
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2813 on: September 15, 2017, 11:01:01 AM »
It's simple, in letters:
1914  A London  - the full score, lasting over an hour
1920  A Lnden  - drastic cuts in the slow movement and finale, but adding some new music to the scherzo
1934  A Lden   - more drastic cuts in the slow movement and finale, about 20 minutes of the music in total,

Thx!
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2814 on: September 15, 2017, 04:31:28 PM »
It's simple, in letters:
1914  A London  - the full score, lasting over an hour
1920  A Lnden  - drastic cuts in the slow movement and finale, but adding some new music to the scherzo
1934  A Lden   - more drastic cuts in the slow movement and finale, about 20 minutes of the music in total,

Hahaha.  Brilliant :)

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2815 on: September 15, 2017, 11:33:31 PM »
Let’s get a closer look at the cover art and the track information:



http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/notes/68190-B.pdf

I think that the school I attended as a boy is in the image  :o
It was on the Victoria Embankment on the same side of the river as St Paul's Cathedral. Certainly the building with the spire looks like it - how weird!
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=city+of+london+school+victoria+embankment&prmd=mniv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ1rC8l6nWAhVBIMAKHYI5Bt4Q_AUIEygD&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=NzulVUdLN6DjhM:
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2816 on: September 16, 2017, 05:57:49 AM »
I think that the school I attended as a boy is in the image  :o
It was on the Victoria Embankment on the same side of the river as St Paul's Cathedral. Certainly the building with the spire looks like it - how weird!
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=city+of+london+school+victoria+embankment&prmd=mniv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ1rC8l6nWAhVBIMAKHYI5Bt4Q_AUIEygD&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=NzulVUdLN6DjhM:

I bet that is pretty surreal to see, Jeffrey. Freaky! :)
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2817 on: September 16, 2017, 06:57:56 AM »
I bet that is pretty surreal to see, Jeffrey. Freaky! :)
Sure is John. It's in the right place on the Thames Embankment and is the right shape!
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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2818 on: September 16, 2017, 11:43:56 PM »
Was that lighthouse for real?  I first visited London as a small boy in the early '50s and I don't remember that anywhere along the Thames in the city.

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Re: Vaughan Williams's Veranda
« Reply #2819 on: September 17, 2017, 01:10:44 AM »
Was that lighthouse for real?  I first visited London as a small boy in the early '50s and I don't remember that anywhere along the Thames in the city.
No, it's a composite picture. Big Ben (now sadly silenced for repairs  :() is not next to St Paul's as in the picture.
That building with the spire, on the other side of the river on the left, does look like my old school and is in the right place on the Embankment in relation to St Paul's Cathedral.
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