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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 04:46:22 PM »
Excellent, thanks.  Being a non-Danish speaker, I have never known how to pronounce Vagn Holmboe. Less than a minute of looking? I know have my answer.

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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 10:23:48 PM »
forvo.com is another great resource. You can hear a wide variety of words and names pronounced by natives, including many composers.
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 12:10:27 AM »
Brilliant! I appreciate the emphasis on repeating the particularly difficult names.
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2013, 08:49:00 AM »
Excellent, thanks.  Being a non-Danish speaker, I have never known how to pronounce Vagn Holmboe. Less than a minute of looking? I know have my answer.

Being a Danish speaker, I do not think the spoken pronunciation of Vagn Holmboe is quite correct. The melody is wrong, the highest "note" must fall on the stressed syllable "Holm", which we also pronounce with a stronger "stød" (see:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%B8d) than the speaker does. And his vowels suffer from an unmistakable English/American accent. A pity they did not ask a Dane to do the speaking.
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2013, 09:24:55 PM »
Har du rode med mig?

Is it really excellent?
Because it was meant as a dull joke.

It's from google translate!
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 10:35:35 PM »
You could also learn how to read IPA symbols (like many of you singers do, I'm sure) and read the IPA for composers' names, many of which are given on Wikipedia. The IPA for Vagn Holmboe is [ʋɑʊ̯n ˈhʌlmb̥oːˀ], which roughly sounds like "vaughn HUHLM-boh", except that the v is somewhat between the letters v and w, the first O in Holmboe is pronounced like the U in the word "bump", the letter b is devoiced, and there is a glottal stop on the end of the last vowel in Holmboe (the aforementioned stød). This makes it sound a bit different from the sound file from Google Translate. I'd love to hear a native Dane pronounce this to compare with the IPA, for there is really no substitute.
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2013, 10:22:11 AM »
You could also learn how to read IPA symbols (like many of you singers do, I'm sure) and read the IPA for composers' names, many of which are given on Wikipedia. The IPA for Vagn Holmboe is [ʋɑʊ̯n ˈhʌlmb̥oːˀ], which roughly sounds like "vaughn HUHLM-boh", except that the v is somewhat between the letters v and w, the first O in Holmboe is pronounced like the U in the word "bump", the letter b is devoiced, and there is a glottal stop on the end of the last vowel in Holmboe (the aforementioned stød). This makes it sound a bit different from the sound file from Google Translate. I'd love to hear a native Dane pronounce this to compare with the IPA, for there is really no substitute.

Even the IPA symbols represent an approximation. The "v" is a "v" as in very, and the "stød" is on "Holm" , not on "boe".

Actually the soundfile from Google translate is very similar to the way a native Dane like me would pronounce the name, except that the "stød" on "Holm" should be a little stronger.
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2013, 11:48:31 AM »
If someone doesn't teach me how to say his name correctly, I might just have to cry  :'(

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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2013, 02:54:32 AM »
Har du rode med mig?

Hvad i alverden betyder "rode" i den sammenhæng?
Jeg er bange for, at ordet ikke kan bruges på den måde,

http://ordnet.dk/ods/ordbog?query=rode
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2013, 02:11:21 PM »
One name that is almost always given wrong:

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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 11:47:46 PM »
Yeah and so is Takemitsu Toru, but so what. It's better that we don't mix which of the names is the surname.
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 02:05:13 PM »
One name that is almost always given wrong:

Bartók Béla Viktor János
Yes, I knew about "Bartók Béla."  But I didn't know he was also named Viktor and János...?
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 11:44:37 PM »
Yes, I knew about "Bartók Béla."  But I didn't know he was also named Viktor and János...?
Wikipedia states it but I haven't read it in Bartók biographies.

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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2014, 02:49:24 PM »
Wish I'd had this when I was in radio.

Did I ever have Kuijken wrong!

But I believe the guide had Dufay wrong, as I do know it was pronounced with three syllables.

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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2015, 02:46:30 PM »
But I believe the guide had Dufay wrong, as I do know it was pronounced with three syllables.

Yes, I have learnt to pronounce it dy-fa-y, but is it the right pronounciation? If it is right, it should be spelled Dufaÿ, I suppose.
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Re: How to pronounce the names of composers
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