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Whose music do you prefer?

Messiaen
14 (51.9%)
Dutilleux
13 (48.1%)

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Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« on: October 07, 2013, 04:46:03 PM »
The choice for me was relatively easy: Dutilleux. Messiaen may awe me momentarily with his coloristic techniques, but when I'm done listening to a work of his I usually walk away unmoved, like nothing had ever happened. Most of his music just glosses over me and doesn't penetrate my brain or my heart. In short, his music just doesn't engage me. There's one work of his I really like, though: Ascension, an earlier work which I can connect to quite well. The Turangalila-Symphonie has some cool parts, but overall it doesn't have too great an effect on me. The same could be said for the Quartet for the End of Time.

Dutilleux, on the other hand, is a composer whose use of harmony, rhythm, and color I find more engaging that Messiaen's. He is the most natural successor to Debussy and Ravel, rather than Messiaen, who I would associate more with the avant-garde. Dutilleux is a very individualistic composer, yet his music still has strong ties to the past. Also, I find there to be much more variety of mood in Dutilleux's music.

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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 04:53:18 PM »
Duttileux, simple reason is that even though I haven't a clue what he's on about half the time, his music is eminently more understandable than Messiaens, even when it isn't, and I do not feel guilty or have any need to, whilst or after listening to it.   0:)
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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 04:53:54 PM »
Hah, something we agree on. :) This was an easy vote for me too, Kyle. I never have cared much for Messiaen. His music really is a 'mess' to use some wordplay. ;) Dutilleux I find much more engaging and much more logical. Yes, I agree with you that Messiaen's L'ascension is a fine work. This is the only work I like of his. Tortelier's and Graf's orchestral sets of Dutilluex are just outstanding and any fan of 20th Century French music wouldn't want to be without either one of them.
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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 05:55:43 PM »
For me, it's actually the opposite: Messiaen is, for the most part completely engaging and intelligible while Dutilleux is still quite abstruse for me. My favorite Messiaen works include Les Offrandes oubliées, Apparition de l'église éternelle, Quatuor pour la fin du temps, Turangalîla-Symphonie, Trois petites liturgies de la présence divine, and Chronochromie. (He is also one of my all-time favorite composers, by the way.)

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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 05:11:46 AM »
Are we done with these pointless versus threads yet? >:D

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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 05:38:46 AM »
Are we done with these pointless versus threads yet? >:D
Let's make a poll and find out!  :laugh: (j/k)
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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 07:23:14 AM »
Good idea! ;D

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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 11:19:31 AM »
Are we done with these pointless versus threads yet? >:D

You've hurt me, David. :'( ;)

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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2019, 06:49:11 AM »
I think a thread pitting Lutoslawski against Dutilleux would have been more sensible since both composers share a similar aesthetic, but, if we were to continue in a French vein, than Dutilleux vs. Boulez might have been a more plausible polling idea, IMHO.
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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2019, 06:52:45 AM »
Are we done with these pointless versus threads yet? >:D

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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2019, 10:20:29 AM »
Are we done with these pointless versus threads yet? >:D
I enjoy these threads. I've started enough 'pointless' ones myself. Now, back to the Royal Baby thread!
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Re: Messiaen vs. Dutilleux
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2019, 03:14:43 PM »
I enjoy these threads. I've started enough 'pointless' ones myself. Now, back to the Royal Baby thread!
 :P
I see your point.



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