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Re: Top 23 1/2 14th Century Sonatas for Timpani and Contrabassoon
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2013, 05:48:32 AM »
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Re: Top 23 1/2 14th Century Sonatas for Timpani and Contrabassoon
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2013, 05:53:17 AM »
For my first choice I'm going to go with Holmboe's Music for Birds and Frogs that I mentioned recently on another thread.  Okay, so it's 6 centuries late, but IMHO 2 flutes are a good timpani equivalent, and no-one could possibly deny me that having 16 bassoons is worth at least 1 contrabassoon, so I say it's a perfect fit for this thread.

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Re: Top 23 1/2 14th Century Sonatas for Timpani and Contrabassoon
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2013, 07:01:15 AM »
Did the even timpani exist in the 14th century? Not very HIP (Historically Informed Post).

Wikipedia:
"In 1188, Cambro-Norman chronicler Gerald of Wales wrote, "Ireland uses and delights in two instruments only, the harp namely, and the tympanum."[19]
 
Arabic nakers, the direct ancestors of most timpani, were brought to 13th century Continental Europe by Crusaders and Saracens.[6] These drums, which were small (with a diameter of about 20–22 cm or 8–8½ in) and mounted to the player's belt, were used primarily for military ceremonies. This form of timpani remained in use until the 16th century.
 
In 1457, a Hungarian legation sent by King Ladislaus V carried larger timpani mounted on horseback to the court of King Charles VII in France. This variety of timpani had been used in the Middle East since the 12th century. These drums evolved together with trumpets to be the primary instruments of the cavalry. This practice continues to this day in sections of the British Army, and timpani continued to be paired with trumpets when they entered the classical orchestra."

So there.
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Re: Top 23 1/2 14th Century Sonatas for Timpani and Contrabassoon
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2013, 05:57:27 PM »
Only a sackbutt could make a pun like that.
Are you telling me that pun was viol? :laugh:
I would think that Wallace Wafflehouse's To Bacon or not to Bacon is somewhat anachronistic in this thread.
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Wikipedia:
"In 1188, Cambro-Norman chronicler Gerald of Wales wrote, "Ireland uses and delights in two instruments only, the harp namely, and the tympanum."[19]
 
Arabic nakers, the direct ancestors of most timpani, were brought to 13th century Continental Europe by Crusaders and Saracens.[6] These drums, which were small (with a diameter of about 20–22 cm or 8–8½ in) and mounted to the player's belt, were used primarily for military ceremonies. This form of timpani remained in use until the 16th century.
 
In 1457, a Hungarian legation sent by King Ladislaus V carried larger timpani mounted on horseback to the court of King Charles VII in France. This variety of timpani had been used in the Middle East since the 12th century. These drums evolved together with trumpets to be the primary instruments of the cavalry. This practice continues to this day in sections of the British Army, and timpani continued to be paired with trumpets when they entered the classical orchestra."

So there.

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Re: Top 23 1/2 14th Century Sonatas for Timpani and Contrabassoon
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2013, 03:57:44 AM »
"These drums evolved together with timpani": Now, wait just a minute, there. This was not natural selection, but GMI (genetically modified instruments).
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