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Offline knight66

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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #180 on: December 13, 2014, 11:11:36 PM »
A very interesting article, thanks. My neice is just back from Estonia and she told me the atmosphere there is one of fear and an assumption that once Ukrane is out of the way, it will be their turn next.

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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #181 on: September 14, 2017, 12:12:20 AM »
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 - but as some here know, Iīve been quite interested in the Ukraine situation, and there are now a few underreported, but very interesting signs that Russia is working for a way out, though itīs too early to say if it will really happen:

recent quotes from the Kremlin and Putin apparently showing an interest in UN peacekeepers in the region, even by the Russia-controlled borders to the separatist statelets, which currently see a steady flow of arms and military.
And now rumours that their leaders are to be replaced by somewhat softer newcomers:
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/kremlin-rumored-ready-replace-leaders-donbas.html?utm_content=buffer2ff1b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

The Russian financing of the statelets (including now the major parts of the fragmentary wellfare and state apparatus there, and of course their massive armies), plus the sanctions, has been extremely expensive.

There are however also those doubting the sincerity regarding the UN peacekeepers, seeing it as maybe an excuse to place Russian military there officially:
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russia-s-peacekeeping-proposal-in-ukraine-is-a-sham#.Wbo9nBmmLwl.twitter

Letīs hope that Ukraine can continue its road to better life for all there, after this awful - and still ongoing - war.
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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #182 on: October 18, 2017, 01:26:33 PM »
Flight MH17 investigation approaching its final conclusions, apparently quite close to what has been presented by say Bellingcat and other sources.

https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/10/16/74192-the-purpose-is-to-bring-this-matter-to-court





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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #183 on: October 18, 2017, 11:50:47 PM »
Letīs hope that Ukraine can continue its road to better life for all there

Certainly not for better and not for all. Ukraine's Parliament (Rada) has recently voted, and President Poroshenko  signed, a law that cancels the ethnic minorities' (among which the largest is the Romanian) right to education in their own languages save for primary school only. Hungary and Romania tried in vain, by diplomatic means, to make them come to their senses. Accordingly, the matter will be presented to the Council of Europe for investigation.

Russian nationalism should not blind us to the equally pernicious Ukrainian one.
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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #184 on: October 19, 2017, 12:20:42 AM »
Certainly not for better and not for all. Ukraine's Parliament (Rada) has recently voted, and President Poroshenko  signed, a law that cancels the ethnic minorities' (among which the largest is the Romanian) right to education in their own languages save for primary school only. Hungary and Romania tried in vain, by diplomatic means, to make them come to their senses. Accordingly, the matter will be presented to the Council of Europe for investigation.

Russian nationalism should not blind us to the equally pernicious Ukrainian one.

I agree that new Ukrainian laws and reforms under Poroshenko have been a very mixed bag, some good, some not. Nationalism, and also some pressure on the media, compensating for the Russian invasion, has been extensive and too much in some cases. There has been a slight recovery as regards the overall economy and a few good corruption initiatives, resulting in more transparency at least (lawmakers must now go public about their wealth and earnings). The picture is still quite chaotic. Add to this a traditional, widespread scepticism among the general public, based on previous experiences, oligarchy, corruption and huge income differences ...

Today the parliament is debating oncoming, important health and electorate reforms, as well as lifting the immunity of deputees, with various opposition people demonstrating and putting up tents outside the building.
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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #185 on: October 19, 2017, 12:27:48 AM »
I agree that new Ukrainian laws and reforms under Poroshenko have been a very mixed bag, some good, some not. Nationalism, and also some pressure on the media, compensating for the Russian invasion, has been extensive and too much in some cases. There has been a slight recovery as regards the overall economy and a few good corruption initiatives, resulting in more transparency at least (lawmakers must now go public about their wealth and earnings). The picture is still quite chaotic. Add to this a traditional, widespread scepticism among the general public, based on previous experiences, oligarchy, corruption and huge income differences ...

Today the parliament is debating oncoming, important healh and electorate reforms, as well as lifting the immunity of deputees, with various opposition people demonstrating and putting up tents outside the building.

Yes, but the news frequently portray the evolutions there as a fight between Ukrainians and Russians, thus brushing under the carpet the fact there are other nations too living in Ukraine and their own interests and rights are trampled under foot by both parties.
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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #186 on: November 21, 2017, 09:39:33 PM »
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... And now rumours that their leaders are to be replaced by somewhat softer newcomers:
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/kremlin-rumored-ready-replace-leaders-donbas.html?utm_content=buffer2ff1b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

The Russian financing of the statelets (including now the major parts of the fragmentary wellfare and state apparatus there, and of course their massive armies), plus the sanctions, has been extremely expensive.


Rather surreal events in the Luhansk statelet yesterday, with new "little green men" including identified troops from the Donetsk neighbour statelet, suddenly invading the Luhansk capital, in what appears to be a power struggle between fractions within the statelets. The new troops support the Luhansk interior minister, according to some with assistance from the Russian security services, whereas the old leader Plotnitsky is apparently still supported by the Kremlin advisor Surkov.


 
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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #187 on: November 22, 2017, 05:21:03 AM »
My daughter is there working for MSF. Based in Kyiv but often going to Mariupol for medical projects including working with TB patients in a prison and with people psychologically traumatised by war. As her father I worry about her a lot but am also very proud of her. Kyiv is such an interesting place - visited it earlier this year.
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Re: Ukraine in turmoil
« Reply #188 on: November 23, 2017, 03:47:20 AM »
More reports of Plotnitsky fleeing to Russia with his trusted 'staff' members.

If so, the possible scenarios include a future merge of the two separatist 'republics'.
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