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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2014, 05:37:07 AM »
It's amusing that we're debating what the OP meant by aggressive; amusing that we continue to recommend music. Does it matter anymore? Did it ever matter? He/she hasn't been back to the forum in three months. Last active, 1 July, the day he arrived  ;D


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I thought we were all just enjoying the conversation, despite the absence of the original poster. It's like being at a party, and the host stepped out for a while.

Plus, there's the possibility that I had no idea the first post was three months ago.

(You might want to replace that "possibility" with "fact".)

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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2014, 05:53:29 AM »
I thought we were all just enjoying the conversation, despite the absence of the original poster. It's like being at a party, and the host stepped out for a while.

Plus, there's the possibility that I had no idea the first post was three months ago.

(You might want to replace that "possibility" with "fact".)

This happens quite often. Newbies who ask a question and then, for whatever reason, are never heard from again. You are right, of course: the party continues, as it should. Who knows, he/she may return...and be utterly bewildered by the range of recommendations  ;D

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Re: Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2014, 06:59:45 AM »
That's true. The present question, though, is more that there is no one "folder," if you will, of classical music which will be The Ideal Entrée for all listeners. For some, a Mozart symphony, for others, a Tallis motet, for others still, Pierrot Lunaire.

Yep, so whatever strikes this listener's fancy will be a success and hopefully a bridge into exploring more music. :)
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Re: Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2014, 07:05:11 AM »
Yep, so whatever strikes this listener's fancy will be a success and hopefully a bridge into exploring more music. :)

Don't be so aggressive, John.   ;D

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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2014, 07:20:29 AM »
Yep, so whatever strikes this listener's fancy will be a success and hopefully a bridge into exploring more music. :)

The audacity of hope! 8)
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Re: Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2014, 07:29:06 AM »
Don't be so aggressive, John.   ;D

Lol... :P
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2014, 07:29:56 AM »
The audacity of hope! 8)

Yes, sir! Like sunlight shining through the clouds. I'm a believer. ;D
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2014, 07:39:21 AM »
John, I'm surprised you didn't recommend Eventyr  ???  ;D ;)

I think Holten's performances are hit/miss for many people...I wouldn't call his performance of Eventyr earth-shattering, but he does seem to understand the aggression that lays beneath the surface of the work. His trolls are LOUD!

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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2014, 07:40:45 AM »
John, I'm surprised you didn't recommend Eventyr  ???  ;D ;)

Sarge

Oh boy, I'm going to be the butt of many jokes now I see.... ;D Well, it certainly won't be the first time nor will it be the last. :)
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2014, 03:06:05 PM »
This happens quite often. Newbies who ask a question and then, for whatever reason, are never heard from again. You are right, of course: the party continues, as it should. Who knows, he/she may return...and be utterly bewildered by the range of recommendations  ;D

Ah well. Maybe they had other forums* to attend to.

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Yes indeed. Parallel Lines is one of my all-time favourite power pop albums.

(*Or is that "fora"?)
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2014, 03:49:08 AM »
Ah well. Maybe they had other forums* to attend to.

Yes indeed. Parallel Lines is one of my all-time favourite power pop albums.

(*Or is that "fora"?)

And an exquisite guest appearance by His Frippness.
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2014, 03:22:49 AM »
And an exquisite guest appearance by His Frippness.

Yes indeed. I'm a fan of King Crimson – especially Discipline-era KC.

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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2014, 08:13:10 PM »
Certainly Shostakovich's "String Quartet No. 8" applies here. 8)
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2014, 01:33:14 PM »
Aggressive?  Spiritually aggressive?  Physically aggressive?
For the latter, Arvo Paert's Third Symphony (I believe) has a section where the musicians argue.   :laugh:
Also try: Cesar Franck's Le Chasseur Maudit (The Wild Huntsman)
For both senses: the 8 symphonies of Karl Amadeus Hartmann, the 6 organ symphonies of Louis Vierne, and of course the works of Anton Bruckner, Gustav Mahler, and Arnold Schoenberg.

I must say, to take the OP's word 'aggressive' and apply it to music by these composers (I'll admit I don't know about Hartmann) seems a bit bizarre to me.
Shostakovitch too, come to that.  Let alone Bach, Mozart, Beethoven as suggested upthread.  I wouldn't use 'aggressive' to describe any music that I've heard by any of these people.
It's such an inappropriate word to use, in a classical music context, either for the composition itself or (as is often used in these fora) for the performance style.  Lots of other better words have been suggested upthread.  A lot of music that I enjoy I might describe as 'challenging'.

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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2014, 11:58:55 PM »
Try VAUGHAN WILLIAMS Symphony no.4   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83StWY0So4Y

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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2014, 12:38:04 AM »
"challenging" is a completely different category of evaluation. The Goldberg Variations may be "challenging" for a listener, because they are long, complex etc. It is not really an impression of the emotions conveyed by the music (although one or two of the pieces might seem aggressive if played in such a fashion)
Whereas "aggressive" is an apparent emotion conveyed by the music. Of course one could discuss whether often defiant, violent or stubborn. E.g. "Mut" from Winterreise is an expression of defiance and the music fits.

I think one could describe many passages in Beethoven as aggressive or angry. Take the beginning of the f minor quartet, the first section (after the "overtura") of op.133, the beginning of the op.10/1 sonata, the coda of the Appassionata...
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2014, 09:03:11 AM »
Here's a couple very well-chosen examples :P for the long gone topic starter: two works that make me go wild when hearing them alive and kicking (and even at home):

Bach's Praeludium und Fugue b-moll BWV 544, here played In Cold Blood (the way I like it) by Connie Hensley Golden:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/K_U3LEsyQc8" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/K_U3LEsyQc8</a>

And I will never forget the shock I got when I expectantly first listened to this next compelling piece of music ... expectations were far exceeded!!
Schubert's Streichquartett d-moll D 810, nicknamed "Der Tod und das Mädchen" (after the 2nd movement, which is a series of variations on Schubert's song with that same title).
I also never forget a hefty live experience during my student's years, when this piece was passionately played by the all-dressed-in-black girlie Colorado Quartet.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8fXYjSmR6Bw" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/8fXYjSmR6Bw</a>
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2014, 10:39:51 AM »
Bach's Praeludium und Fugue b-moll BWV 544, here played In Cold Blood (the way I like it) by Connie Hensley Golden:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/K_U3LEsyQc8" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/K_U3LEsyQc8</a>

No need to deny her dexterity, but if we listen to her rather stiff style, there is not much which distinguish it from etwa Karl Richter´s style, except that she does not change stops that often.
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2014, 01:02:46 PM »
No need to deny her dexterity, but if we listen to her rather stiff style, there is not much which distinguish it from etwa Karl Richter´s style, except that she does not change stops that often.

I will consider the founding of a Karl Richter fanclub.

:)

You do have a point, though.
Apparently, in Bach's organ music, I'm able to like more different styles than in other genres. But the fact that you mentioned the register changing matter is really essential to me: I found that in most free organ works I definitely prefer this 'all the way' type of playing, which gives me the exciting thrill of an auditory perception of the perpetuum mobile.
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Re: "Aggressive" Classical Music?
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2015, 05:00:27 AM »
Yes.  There's no one way which is right for all listeners.

With exception of BWV 1052.

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