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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #160 on: September 05, 2017, 10:45:17 AM »
One of my favorite scenes in recent episodes: the Mitchum Brothers taking Coop to the airport.

Aye, that was a nice little touch. The Mitchums are one of my favourite things in the whole series, I'd watch a spinoff with just them anytime.

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« Reply #161 on: September 05, 2017, 11:01:48 AM »
I'd watch a spinoff with just them anytime.

Oh yeah  8)

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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #162 on: September 05, 2017, 11:09:51 AM »
I read a theory that the sex scene, may have been back in 1991? (I think that's the year) and that it was EvilCoop (hence the very blank-ness to his character there)

And the schizo theory says the Coop in the sex scene is a combination of good and evil coop (maybe even Dougie). Diane realizes it's not the pure good coop she loves and so tries to hide or claw off his face because she sees the bad coop too. And then she leaves before he wakes up. But neither theory explains how after sex there is a time shift, with Coop becoming Richard, Diane Linda, a different motel and a decades newer car. Lynch fucking with us?  ;D

At the end, I'm certain that Carrie realizes that she is actually Laura palmer.

That's the most likely explanation, I think. But...how did she end up in Texas with that accent? I'm still trying to wrap my head around the finale.

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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #163 on: September 05, 2017, 11:39:56 AM »
Weird things happen when people have sex in David Lynch movies. I think Diane was reliving her rape to some extent, she tried to cover Coop's face to disassociate him from the doppelganger. As for what happens next, it seems to refer back to what the Fireman said in the first episode, at some point Coop and Diane become Richard and Linda, and then Richard is left on his own having been transported to a different room in a different motel (recall that sex was previously associated with Lodge activity when the Experiment appeared in the glass box and murdered Sam and Tracey in New York). There's something very deliberately off about the tone of the entire episode, and I think the idea is that Coop has gone too far in his quest to save Laura (i.e.: he prevented the murder from ever taking place, after justice had already been done with the supposed destruction of BOB) and played into Judy's trap by doing so, he's in her version of Twin Peaks and cannot rely on anything he sees or hears as fact (whom the gods would destroy they first make mad). Note that the Tremonds are the owners of the Palmer house, and they bought the house from the Chalfonts, both names used by a Lodge entity with great significance to Laura Palmer, but I don't think Coop ever encountered them and so can't really be wise to that trick.

Still, if FWWM's ending is the actual conclusion to the story, as has previously been theorised, it seems as though Laura will eventually find peace with Coop's help.

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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #164 on: September 05, 2017, 11:44:14 AM »
Weird things happen when people have sex in David Lynch movies.

That's about the only thing we can be certain of  ;D

But I like your theory. Much to think about.

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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #165 on: September 05, 2017, 12:03:37 PM »
There's something very deliberately off about the tone of the entire episode, and I think the idea is that Coop has gone too far in his quest to save Laura (i.e.: he prevented the murder from ever taking place, after justice had already been done with the supposed destruction of BOB) and played into Judy's trap by doing so, he's in her version of Twin Peaks and cannot rely on anything he sees or hears as fact (whom the gods would destroy they first make mad).

I have been thinking this as well, Lynch's clues are sometimes right in front of our faces, and often simply displayed. Cooper entered Judy's version of a place that should've been comfortable for him, a coffee shop. But Cooper was met with hostility and confusion.

But great thoughts, Crudblud. Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #166 on: September 05, 2017, 11:07:05 PM »
I was watching a few clips on YouTube, and I also realised that the Platters song that plays during the sex scene is on the radio when the Woodsman shows up at the station in episode 8. What does it mean? Who the hell knows. Maybe David Lynch likes that song and wanted to use it twice, I really like The Platters and can't fault him on that. But with the theme of doubling so common in Twin Peaks, it could either be a massive red herring or something important.

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« Reply #167 on: September 06, 2017, 09:36:12 AM »
Note that the Tremonds are the owners of the Palmer house, and they bought the house from the Chalfonts, both names used by a Lodge entity with great significance to Laura Palmer, but I don't think Coop ever encountered them and so can't really be wise to that trick.

Interesting. In episode 9 of the second season Coop goes with Donna to see Mrs. Tremond about Harold's suicide, but the old Mrs. Tremond has been replaced by a different woman with the same name, who says her mother died three years ago, and that she has no children, so the "grandson" (some other form of the Jumping Man, who seems to be possessing Sarah Palmer in the new season) is not there either. New Tremond gives Donna a page from Laura's diary which talks about the dream of Laura whispering a secret in Coop's ear.

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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #168 on: September 09, 2017, 05:08:35 AM »
Released yesterday, features Badalamenti's new music from The Return. It includes Cooper's farewell to Janey and Sonny-Jim in the casino, the music from episode 8 with The Fireman and the floating orbs, and the end credit music from the final episode, which that music has been running through my head for almost a week now along with the fainted image of Laura whispering into Cooper's ear.
Awesome that there are now three soundtracks for Twin Peaks featuring Badalamenti's music.


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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #169 on: September 09, 2017, 05:32:21 AM »
the music from episode 8 with The Fireman and the floating orbs

I've got that one stuck in my head. Great to have it on disc.

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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #170 on: September 09, 2017, 06:58:35 AM »
Try watching E17&18 synced - like, at the same time. Supposedly that does something :)

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« Reply #171 on: September 09, 2017, 07:32:14 AM »
Try watching E17&18 synced - like, at the same time. Supposedly that does something :)

Yes! I've heard about this and am attempting it this weekend.

Also, came across some great fan-art, including this poster for an upcoming movie  :laugh:


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« Reply #172 on: September 09, 2017, 01:35:05 PM »
Try watching E17&18 synced - like, at the same time. Supposedly that does something :)

At first I thought you were joking...but no, the theory exists, providing a more upbeat ending:

https://medium.com/@onantiad/episodes-17-18-of-twin-peaks-the-return-are-meant-to-be-watched-in-sync-81352ce38e8


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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #173 on: September 09, 2017, 07:29:54 PM »
At first I thought you were joking...but no, the theory exists, providing a more upbeat ending:

https://medium.com/@onantiad/episodes-17-18-of-twin-peaks-the-return-are-meant-to-be-watched-in-sync-81352ce38e8


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WOW! I was going to test it out before reading this, but I went ahead and read it anyway. And my mind is blown, if these syncs are correct as the author is suggesting then it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for posting this, Sarge.

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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #174 on: September 14, 2017, 05:28:26 AM »

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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #176 on: September 14, 2017, 04:25:13 PM »
DVD/BR cover art for season 3...

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« Reply #177 on: September 14, 2017, 04:29:08 PM »
I just saw that. Kinda strange it says "season 3" rather than "The Return", which is how it's been promoted  ???

Marketing purposes I'm guessing.

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« Reply #178 on: September 16, 2017, 11:49:36 PM »
Sad to hear Harry Dean Stanton is no longer with us. Makes this beautiful moment extra special.

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« Reply #179 on: November 21, 2017, 04:23:44 AM »
So what year IS this?  ???