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« Reply #180 on: November 21, 2017, 04:40:23 AM »
I bought Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier. Haven't read it yet. Does anyone else have it?

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« Reply #181 on: November 21, 2017, 04:20:42 PM »
I bought Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier. Haven't read it yet. Does anyone else have it?

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I have the audiobook....

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« Reply #182 on: November 21, 2017, 11:14:59 PM »
I don't even listen to that kind of music (country-pop-rock), despite my generally quite wide music pallet but I can't stop listening to "Wild West" by Lissie, such a great song. The juxtaposition with the really, really dark and shocking episode it came from probably created a unique association with it but it's true, I can't stop listening to it  ???




...also....

I never really caught into it when the episode aired but "Shadow" by the Chromatics also instills quite a strong emotion, a song that flips me out in a way. It's so beautiful and sort of simple but it's really intense somehow  ???

Of course "The World Spins" (the full song) by Julee Cruise is expectedly both heart-breaking and nostalgic.

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« Reply #183 on: November 22, 2017, 02:53:24 AM »
Finally they started to show season 3 in Finland. I saw the first episode last night. The mood of this show has been changed completely. Even the colour temperature/pallette had changed from reddish to brown/blue. This is a whole new show incorporating some of the Twin Peaks characters and locations. I was surprised how little time was spend in Twin Peaks. I was surprised about the lack of Badalamenti's signature Twin Peaks music. I was surprised how "distant" and cold everything felt and how the twisted cosiness of old Twin Peak was gone apart from a few brief moments. I was surprised how little Dale Cooper had screen time and how much "new faces" had. I would have had mainly "familiar faces" in the first episode and introduced new faces as the show goes on. It felt confusing and strange, but also good so I'll keep watching... ...the hassle with the apartment keys was funny. I "hated" the soap opera aspect of old Twin Peaks, but I almost missed it with the first episode of season 3 which felt too serious and not silly enough to be genuine Twin Peaks.
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« Reply #184 on: November 22, 2017, 03:10:14 AM »
Finally they started to show season 3 in Finland. I saw the first episode last night. The mood of this show has been changed completely. Even the colour temperature/pallette had changed from reddish to brown/blue. This is a whole new show incorporating some of the Twin Peaks characters and locations. I was surprised how little time was spend in Twin Peaks. I was surprised about the lack of Badalamenti's signature Twin Peaks music. I was surprised how "distant" and cold everything felt and how the twisted cosiness of old Twin Peak was gone apart from a few brief moments. I was surprised how little Dale Cooper had screen time and how much "new faces" had. I would have had mainly "familiar faces" in the first episode and introduced new faces as the show goes on. It felt confusing and strange, but also good so I'll keep watching... ...the hassle with the apartment keys was funny. I "hated" the soap opera aspect of old Twin Peaks, but I almost missed it with the first episode of season 3 which felt too serious and not silly enough to be genuine Twin Peaks.

There are a lot of things that may shock you (gladly, as it's not a show that "plays by the rules"), so my advice is to embrace the "confusing and strange". You have a long, confounding, mind-blowing and rewarding 17 hours ahead of you  :D

For the note, I'm a Lynchian, love the previous Twin Peaks (though I share similar feelings about the soap-opera elements) and I feel Season Three is not only the best Twin Peaks season but possibly the top thing he's done in his career (which I wouldn't just simply say).

Hope you enjoy it!  :)

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« Reply #185 on: November 22, 2017, 03:12:55 AM »
Also, keep in the back of your mind:

1. A lot of things have happened in 25 years
2. There is a lot of world-building/expanding going on that you won't comprehend fully till you're further through the series
3. Not everything needs to be black/white explained, it's Lynch afterall

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« Reply #186 on: November 22, 2017, 05:23:33 AM »
There are a lot of things that may shock you (gladly, as it's not a show that "plays by the rules"), so my advice is to embrace the "confusing and strange". You have a long, confounding, mind-blowing and rewarding 17 hours ahead of you  :D

For the note, I'm a Lynchian, love the previous Twin Peaks (though I share similar feelings about the soap-opera elements) and I feel Season Three is not only the best Twin Peaks season but possibly the top thing he's done in his career (which I wouldn't just simply say).

Hope you enjoy it!  :)

My sister watched this on Netflix ages ago and mentioned that even space is visited, but I thought it's mainly Twin Peaks + visit in "space" inside someone's twisted mind, not New York! The first episode was very bold departure from season 1-2 stylistically (just watched them prior to season 3) and they don't seem to worry about people finding season 3 too different.

Thanks, next night I will see episode two, this time perhaps less shocked about the difference of style.  ;)



Also, keep in the back of your mind:

1. A lot of things have happened in 25 years
2. There is a lot of world-building/expanding going on that you won't comprehend fully till you're further through the series
3. Not everything needs to be black/white explained, it's Lynch afterall

 ;D

1. I get that! However, Lucy and Andy are still the same lovable dummies...  ;D
2. Clearly this is the case. Can you blame me for being surprised because maybe 99 % of seasons 1-2 happen in Twin Peaks. Also, I didn't spoil myself about season 3. All I knew was what my sister mentioned about space being one "location" so I pretty much assumed to see mainly the familiar Twin Peaks locations, just 25 years later. Sure, episode 1 had that, but not much compared to the New York stuff...
3. Of course not! Mulholland Drive is one of my top favorite movies. I don't mind "unexplained" stuff.
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« Reply #187 on: April 16, 2018, 07:06:58 AM »
I've just finished Season 3 and I feel empty.

I think I went through it too hastily (5 days) and need to see it again, maybe already this year (autumn and winter will be fine ;)).

Like 71 dB, I missed the 'cosiness' of Season 1 & 2. Those seasons gave us a weird soap opera, but, in those early nineties, me and a few other college boyz and girlz, almost considered the Twin Peaks population as our own family.

Season 3 was more Lynch than Twin Peaks.
More Fire, Walk With Me than Damn good coffee!. (Even though the coffee still tasted good.)

I remember being very moved and comforted at the end of Fire, Walk With Me.
But this time, I felt mostly empty. Despite the feeling of an urgent need to help Coop and Laura.

I'm not sure about my sentiments, but i hope that Lynch lives to make a Fourth.
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Re: Welcome to Twin Peaks, population 51,201
« Reply #188 on: April 17, 2018, 01:32:28 AM »
I've just finished Season 3 and I feel empty.

I think I went through it too hastily (5 days) and need to see it again, maybe already this year (autumn and winter will be fine ;)).

Like 71 dB, I missed the 'cosiness' of Season 1 & 2. Those seasons gave us a weird soap opera, but, in those early nineties, me and a few other college boyz and girlz, almost considered the Twin Peaks population as our own family.

Season 3 was more Lynch than Twin Peaks.
More Fire, Walk With Me than Damn good coffee!. (Even though the coffee still tasted good.)

I remember being very moved and comforted at the end of Fire, Walk With Me.
But this time, I felt mostly empty. Despite the feeling of an urgent need to help Coop and Laura.

I'm not sure about my sentiments, but i hope that Lynch lives to make a Fourth.
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I'm watching it for the second time now - to introduce my wife. We also recently watched the original series. Now we're coming to E9 of season 3. E8 was one of the most chilling and beautiful productions I've ever seen on TV. Magical. 3 is a different series - that's true. In a way, I feel like it's imperfections are part of the process, necessary for it to be what it is. To me, TP is about a feeling, a sense, an aesthetic effect conveyed through sight and sound and the plot and characters are in service to this. On the other hand, Lynch goes out of his way to bring in some of the old characters, even when they don't seem germane. I also hope they do another one. I read somewhere that they might but that S3 took 4 years to write.   

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« Reply #189 on: April 17, 2018, 07:18:22 PM »
E8 was one of the most chilling and beautiful productions I've ever seen on TV. Magical.

3 is a different series - that's true.

2 things that are 100% true, milk. E8 was easily the best 1 hour of TV in 2017, maybe even a better 1 hour than any movie offered as well.
And I think truly Lynch set out to make a different series, and the different approach of exploration for these characters, locations and storytelling for me is what made it so enjoyable.

It's been 8 months since it ended and I still cant shake that final moment, so haunting, so mysterious...so Lynch. I would fine if that is how Twin Peaks bows out, but I know Lynch has said he's done with movies so perhaps he will write some more for Coop. Maybe we can find out what year it really is. 

I purchased the Blue Ray set of "TP: The Return" and have been going through it again, in pieces really. Another scene that amazes me is in Ep.16 with Coop's goodbye to Naomi Watts and Sonny-Jim in the middle of the casino. Lynch can always create such tender moments amid such chaos, and this is a perfect example. It reminded me Jeffrey and Sandy dancing to Julee Cruise at the basement party in Blue Velvet, or in Mulholland Drive with Laura Harring taking Naomi Watts by the hand out of the limo and walking her up a hill to house party on a "secret path" while Angelo Badalamenti's dark strings accompanies.

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« Reply #190 on: April 17, 2018, 11:34:56 PM »
2 things that are 100% true, milk. E8 was easily the best 1 hour of TV in 2017, maybe even a better 1 hour than any movie offered as well.
And I think truly Lynch set out to make a different series, and the different approach of exploration for these characters, locations and storytelling for me is what made it so enjoyable.

It's been 8 months since it ended and I still cant shake that final moment, so haunting, so mysterious...so Lynch. I would fine if that is how Twin Peaks bows out, but I know Lynch has said he's done with movies so perhaps he will write some more for Coop. Maybe we can find out what year it really is. 

I purchased the Blue Ray set of "TP: The Return" and have been going through it again, in pieces really. Another scene that amazes me is in Ep.16 with Coop's goodbye to Naomi Watts and Sonny-Jim in the middle of the casino. Lynch can always create such tender moments amid such chaos, and this is a perfect example. It reminded me Jeffrey and Sandy dancing to Julee Cruise at the basement party in Blue Velvet, or in Mulholland Drive with Laura Harring taking Naomi Watts by the hand out of the limo and walking her up a hill to house party on a "secret path" while Angelo Badalamenti's dark strings accompanies.
I’m excited to see the ending again and see what I make of it. I have a feeling my wife won’t be happy about it. I’m trying to prepare her subtly for the idea that Lynch is always more about a puzzle than a solution.

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« Reply #191 on: April 18, 2018, 08:38:08 PM »
I’m excited to see the ending again and see what I make of it. I have a feeling my wife won’t be happy about it. I’m trying to prepare her subtly for the idea that Lynch is always more about a puzzle than a solution.

I watched the final 2 episodes again, and actually I'm more happy with some 'results' at the end of S3.

I do recall that, in the early 1990s, when we were discussing the series weekly with a group of fellow students (such great fun), one of our questions was: why does Donna Hayward keep referring to "it's like a dream" or "it's like a beautiful nightmare"?

In the prequel, Phillip Jeffries says "we live inside a dream".

After seeing the prequel, I probably listened to the song 'Exquisite Corpse' by Bauhaus, with its repeated line "Life is but a dream". ;)

Anyway, almost suddenly I do think that Season 3 could be a great 'closing' of the entire series. What better way to end it with Laura's shattering (both primal and final) scream?

Maybe it will be even more satisfying after reading Mark Frost's Final Dossier. That's gonna be my next (and final?) step. :)
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« Reply #192 on: April 20, 2018, 01:45:43 AM »
I really hated the Dougie stuff. Though I liked much of S3, especially Ep.8, I'll never be able to sit through Dougie again.

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« Reply #193 on: April 20, 2018, 03:54:41 AM »
I really hated the Dougie stuff. Though I liked much of S3, especially Ep.8, I'll never be able to sit through Dougie again.

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« Reply #194 on: April 20, 2018, 07:43:39 AM »
I really hated the Dougie stuff. Though I liked much of S3, especially Ep.8, I'll never be able to sit through Dougie again.

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« Reply #196 on: June 05, 2018, 09:49:54 AM »
I really hated the Dougie stuff. Though I liked much of S3, especially Ep.8, I'll never be able to sit through Dougie again.

Again.

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LOL.

Like Dale Cooper, man:
just keep on trying again.
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(TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN.)

Seriously: watched the entire third season again (for the 2nd time), and ep. 17 & 18 for the 4th time.
One time I'm at peace with the ending, the other time I'm most definitely not.

Some examples that especially disturb me: the large transparent face of Cooper in the background in ep. 17, watching almost helplessly how things evolve. And yet they seem to evolve in such a good way, with the Doppelgänger getting shot by Lucy, Bob getting beat by Fast Freddie, Naido turning into Diane, et cetera.
Who is the real Cooper? The one 'in action', or the one watching helplessly?

Other examples: Cooper trying to change Laura's fate in the past, and then losing her in the woods.
And then, in the finale, still believing (dreaming?) he saved her in the past, finding out that there is no Palmer family in 'da house'.
Is Laura screaming to get her dirt finally out?
Or is she screaming to make the story start all over again?

Also troubling: Cooper returning (again) to the waiting room... same things happen (more or less) as in ep. 1. Or is he really returning? Has the real Cooper ever gotten out? Has he always been watching helplessly, as The Dreamer?
Will Cooper be locked for the rest of his 'life' and dream over and over again about beloved troubled women who, in the end, can't be saved by him or by any 'alter ego', despite his good will?
Caroline, Annie, Laura, Diane, Audrey (in a different way). It's not a happy list.
OTOH: he managed to comfort Laura (or her soul) though (in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me), and helped her realize that she is not evil. (The ending of this movie brought me to tears, which doesn't happen very often.)

I almost got the feeling that Lynch wanted to send a feminist message: girls, when you're in trouble, don't rely on the Good Man to help you, better try to save yourself.

Anyway, despite (or maybe thanks to) all these questions I still say: Twin Peaks is the best I ever saw on telly.

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« Reply #197 on: June 05, 2018, 09:59:15 AM »
LOL.

Like Dale Cooper, man:
just keep on trying again.
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(TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN.)

Seriously: watched the entire third season again (for the 2nd time), and ep. 17 & 18 for the 4th time.
One time I'm at peace with the ending, the other time I'm most definitely not.

Some examples that especially disturb me: the large transparent face of Cooper in the background in ep. 17, watching almost helplessly how things evolve. And yet they seem to evolve in such a good way, with the Doppelgänger getting shot by Lucy, Bob getting beat by Fast Freddie, Naido turning into Diane, et cetera.
Who is the real Cooper? The one 'in action', or the one watching helplessly?

Other examples: Cooper trying to change Laura's fate in the past, and then losing her in the woods.
And then, in the finale, still believing (dreaming?) he saved her in the past, finding out that there is no Palmer family in 'da house'.
Is Laura screaming to get her dirt finally out?
Or is she screaming to make the story start all over again?

Also troubling: Cooper returning (again) to the waiting room... same things happen (more or less) as in ep. 1. Or is he really returning? Has the real Cooper ever gotten out? Has he always been watching helplessly, as The Dreamer?
Will Cooper be locked for the rest of his 'life' and dream over and over again about beloved troubled women who, in the end, can't be saved by him or by any 'alter ego', despite his good will?
Caroline, Annie, Laura, Diane, Audrey (in a different way). It's not a happy list.
OTOH: he managed to comfort Laura (or her soul) though (in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me), and helped her realize that she is not evil. (The ending of this movie brought me to tears, which doesn't happen very often.)

I almost got the feeling that Lynch wanted to send a feminist message: girls, when you're in trouble, don't rely on the Good Man to help you, better try to save yourself.

Anyway, despite (or maybe thanks to) all these questions I still say: Twin Peaks is the best I ever saw on telly.

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Thank you for sharing, Marc!
Eps. 17 & 18, along with Ep. 8, is still the best TV I've seen in years. And I'm still shook by the final scene, and Laura's scream. Badalamenti's music through the final credits, and the soft image of Laura whispering in Cooper's ear, is titled Dark Space Low, and continues to haunt me.

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« Reply #198 on: June 05, 2018, 10:21:13 AM »

Thank you for sharing, Marc!
Eps. 17 & 18, along with Ep. 8, is still the best TV I've seen in years. And I'm still shook by the final scene, and Laura's scream. Badalamenti's music through the final credits, and the soft image of Laura whispering in Cooper's ear, is titled Dark Space Low, and continues to haunt me.

Yes, that final image also makes you think: Cooper is still locked in … whatever (dream, lodge, waiting room). Everything can happen again… and again… and again...

I managed to stay relaxed during ep. 8 this time (the first time it made me feel very uneasy).
When I think of it now, the (female) Señorita blows (female) Laura to planet earth to fight Evil, not Cooper or another Good Man.
This scene, with the Giant/???/Fireman floating, and the Señorita kissing Laura's golden sphere, combined with the music, is completely awesome. No words can really describe it.
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« Reply #199 on: June 05, 2018, 03:42:36 PM »
I haven't read much of this thread as I don't want spoilers, but the season 3 dvds just hit my front porch. Looking forward to getting Lynchified all over again over the next few weeks!