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Offline Mandryka

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #220 on: August 04, 2017, 05:58:31 AM »

Just one other thing about Aymes which I just noticed, I'm listening as I'm doing this, is that the some of the pieces seem to be arranged for clavioganum and harp, and this brings out the emotional melodic content very well.

You can see I'm really enjoying it! ill probably play it again in a month and wonder what all the fuss was about!

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #221 on: August 04, 2017, 06:13:39 AM »
You can see I'm really enjoying it!

And I'm glad for you, honestly!

I might actually have a problem with the harpsichord itself. Although I can tolerate it for fairly extended periods of time in the repertoire which appeals to me, I vastly prefer the piano.  :D
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #222 on: August 04, 2017, 09:04:18 PM »


      



The above definition of minimalism suggests that Storace's Pastorale is the earliest piece of minimalist music. A simple short motif repeated with small variation and without goal over a pedal point, without aim. It is long - about 10 minutes.

It's a tremendous piece of music, which in some sense makes me think of the Bach violin chaconne and Beethoven's Grosse Fugue.

I have three recordings of the whole the thing, Cera, Alessandrini and Bonizzoni. Cera uses organ and percussion, while Bonizzoni and Alessandrini use just the organ. Alessandrini (in 150 years of Italian Music, I haven't heard his Storace CD yet, it's on the way hopefully) is somehow the most avant garde modern sounding; the percussion on Cera's makes for an attractive crazy dance feeling; Bonizzoni's is IMO the least successful of the three, but is nevertheless interesting because of the soaring intensity of the playing in the central section. All three are wonderful.

Just listened to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XToncb7-1gs
Interesting little piece. I think it is much like the Scarlatti Sonata recently in the blind comparison, but taken to its logical conclusion. In some way, I feel this is more the birth of the Galant than of Minimalism.

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #223 on: October 02, 2017, 01:50:14 AM »
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Hat tip to Mandryka!

If you like what he does there you'll like Francesco Tristano Schlime's Frescobaldi recording, which has a similar feeling of a stoned jazz pianist in a club in the early hours of the morning.

Well, this is not very far off the mark, given that the recording was made in a Paris night club, live. Yes, that's right --- and the audience is possibly the most well-behaved I've ever witnessed on disc: not a cough, not a whisper, nothing. It's as if they were all mesmerized by the music to the point of forgetting themselves. And fascinating the music is, indeed. The sound of the piano (blessed be your soul, signor Cristofori!) turns the whole thing into a poetical and ecstatic, even mystical, experience. I struggle rather hard with Italian Renaissance keyboard music but this disc was right up my alley. I wish more pianists threw off the shackles, and rejected the monopoly, that the ideological HIP brigade have put on and assumed of, early keyboard music performance: Schlime proves convincingly that a pianist with imagination, sensitivity and commitment can work wonders in this repertoire.

Highly recommended.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #224 on: October 02, 2017, 03:35:01 AM »
It's good you found a way in to this music! I think you may also enjoy Daniel-Ben Pienaar's Gibbons, it's not as laid pack as Schlimé's Frescobaldi, but it has a similar feel of spontaneous outpouring.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #225 on: October 11, 2017, 03:23:33 AM »
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Hat tip to Mandryka!

Well, this is not very far off the mark, given that the recording was made in a Paris night club, live. Yes, that's right --- and the audience is possibly the most well-behaved I've ever witnessed on disc: not a cough, not a whisper, nothing. It's as if they were all mesmerized by the music to the point of forgetting themselves. And fascinating the music is, indeed. The sound of the piano (blessed be your soul, signor Cristofori!) turns the whole thing into a poetical and ecstatic, even mystical, experience. I struggle rather hard with Italian Renaissance keyboard music but this disc was right up my alley. I wish more pianists threw off the shackles, and rejected the monopoly, that the ideological HIP brigade have put on and assumed of, early keyboard music performance: Schlime proves convincingly that a pianist with imagination, sensitivity and commitment can work wonders in this repertoire.

Highly recommended.
Sadly, impossible to find for download. Looks fascinating. So few pianists willing. David Greilsammer has a Frescobaldi track on piano - a paltry find.

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #226 on: October 11, 2017, 04:01:32 AM »
Yes, that looks very fair. I think it's the best thing I've heard from Bonizzoni in fact. Cera is totally different, different articulation and different sounds from a different style of instrument and, of course, less speed. Incomparable.
Do you recommend the Cera? I notice it's the only one for available for download...20$ so I'll wait 'til next month. I'm interested in this. I wish I could get into English music as much as Italian from this period. I used to think Italian renaissance music was severe. Maybe it's the compulsive in me as Frescobaldi seems like everything is packaged in neat little boxes. 

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #227 on: October 11, 2017, 06:40:10 AM »
Do you recommend the Cera? I notice it's the only one for available for download...20$ so I'll wait 'til next month. I'm interested in this. I wish I could get into English music as much as Italian from this period. I used to think Italian renaissance music was severe. Maybe it's the compulsive in me as Frescobaldi seems like everything is packaged in neat little boxes.

I think Alessandrini's CD is downloadable too, as is Jorge Halubek and and Pascal Rouet and Naoko Akutagawa. I can't make a recommendation about Storace, I don't feel close enough to the music. I have enjoyed Alessandrini most, but nothing follows.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #228 on: October 11, 2017, 04:23:26 PM »
(Crosspost from the WAYLT thread.)



Hat tip to Mandryka!

Well, this is not very far off the mark, given that the recording was made in a Paris night club, live. Yes, that's right --- and the audience is possibly the most well-behaved I've ever witnessed on disc: not a cough, not a whisper, nothing. It's as if they were all mesmerized by the music to the point of forgetting themselves. And fascinating the music is, indeed. The sound of the piano (blessed be your soul, signor Cristofori!) turns the whole thing into a poetical and ecstatic, even mystical, experience. I struggle rather hard with Italian Renaissance keyboard music but this disc was right up my alley. I wish more pianists threw off the shackles, and rejected the monopoly, that the ideological HIP brigade have put on and assumed of, early keyboard music performance: Schlime proves convincingly that a pianist with imagination, sensitivity and commitment can work wonders in this repertoire.

Highly recommended.
Yeah, this is awesome stuff. I can't stop listening to it. It seems almost avant garde to me. I used to find this music uninteresting because it never really goes anywhere. But now it's such a, sort of, mysterious experience. What imagination in this performance. I'm going to play this to a friend today and ask him, "what kind of music is this? When do you think it was written?"

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #229 on: October 13, 2017, 10:38:26 PM »
Trabaci played on an Italian virginal (ok, I didn't know there was such a thing) by one Shusuke Sugimoto (who?). Now, this is the kind of thing that excites me on a Saturday afternoon.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #230 on: October 14, 2017, 04:04:20 AM »
Trabaci played on an Italian virginal (ok, I didn't know there was such a thing) by one Shusuke Sugimoto (who?). Now, this is the kind of thing that excites me on a Saturday afternoon.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/eEfIDkQO6bM" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/eEfIDkQO6bM</a>

Maybe you should buy yourself this CD

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #231 on: October 14, 2017, 04:28:37 AM »
Maybe you should buy yourself this CD


I will take a look for it. Lately, this kind of music is always going in my apartment.

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #232 on: October 15, 2017, 02:15:52 AM »
Sorry to this thread...but...could you clear it again?

I just did.  :)
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