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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #260 on: November 17, 2017, 08:47:18 AM »
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #261 on: November 17, 2017, 08:51:49 AM »
Nothing.  He's perfectly fine in saying that his impression is such and such.  I don't see the problem in my saying that I think that impression is off-base.

Anytime someone has a negative reaction to Schoenberg or Mahler or any other composer you like, you feel the need to tell them that they’re basically wrong-headed for feeling the way they do. Your response to Andrei is a classic example of this.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #262 on: November 17, 2017, 08:57:58 AM »
Anytime someone has a negative reaction to Schoenberg or Mahler or any other composer you like, you feel the need to tell them that they’re basically wrong-headed for feeling the way they do. Your response to Andrei is a classic example of this.

He gave his own reasons for disagreeing with milk's opinion, I gave my reasons for disagreeing with his take.  Conversations depend on an exchange of views.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #263 on: November 17, 2017, 10:11:33 AM »
Guys, guys, please, don't quarrel because of me. I didn't take offense at Mahlerian remark and I wouldn't have replied on the matter. Peace, friends!  0:)

I first heard Pierrot Lunaire on Mezzo TV. I had no idea what it was about (my German is not good enough without the printed text) but that's exactly the impression I got: a hysterical woman screaming and screeching. And given that that was also the last time I heard it, I had no opportunity to have second thoughts about it. That's all. I didn't mean "hysteric" as derogatory, just a neutral, value-free description.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #264 on: November 17, 2017, 10:53:44 AM »
Ah, I see...  ::)

You guys are discussing Arnoldo Bellamontagna, the famous Italian Baroque composer!  :D

Can we stay on topic please? I'm baffled that members like Mirror Image even bother to read a thread like this BTW...  ;)

Baroque fans in the bud?  ;D

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #265 on: November 17, 2017, 12:00:47 PM »
Right, and I'm sorry that I played a role in the thread drift.  Getting back on topic, what do people who are more familiar with the music think of this disc?

"l do not consider my music as atonal, but rather as non-tonal. I feel the unity of all keys. Atonal music by modern composers admits of no key at all, no feeling of any definite center." - Arnold Schoenberg

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #266 on: November 17, 2017, 12:01:41 PM »
Right, and I'm sorry that I played a role in the thread drift.  Getting back on topic, what do people who are more familiar with the music think of this disc?



I think it is French
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #267 on: November 17, 2017, 12:05:04 PM »
I think it is French

By nationality yes, but possibly not always by style.

what do people who are more familiar with the music think of this disc?


It's a masterpiece, but one that took me quite a while to appreciate because it's "abstract" -- expressive but controled. YOu have to hear it, I can't dance about architecture.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #268 on: November 17, 2017, 12:07:51 PM »
By nationality yes, but possibly not always by style.

Definitely style, hard to think of a more characteristically French Baroque composer
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #269 on: November 17, 2017, 12:08:08 PM »
I think it is French

I still have a fever, I can make excuses for dumb lapses like that!

This topic had merged in my mind with an earlier discussion of keyboard music of that era generally, which is part of why I made the mistake.
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"l do not consider my music as atonal, but rather as non-tonal. I feel the unity of all keys. Atonal music by modern composers admits of no key at all, no feeling of any definite center." - Arnold Schoenberg

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #271 on: November 17, 2017, 12:10:07 PM »
Definitely style, hard to think of a more characteristically French Baroque composer

Actually you're possibly right, I was somehow mixing up in my mind Louis Couperin and Froberger!  Though maybe those unmeasured preludes owe something to Frescobaldi toccatas.

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #272 on: November 17, 2017, 05:42:55 PM »
Guys, guys, please, don't quarrel because of me. I didn't take offense at Mahlerian remark and I wouldn't have replied on the matter. Peace, friends!  0:)

It's all an education to me. I wonder if a thread asking, "Do 'periods' of music exist? If so, what are the differences between them?" Maybe there already is a thread or maybe it's not interesting enough? Anyway...Barring personal attacks, I'm not offended by any of my friends here.

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #273 on: November 17, 2017, 09:57:16 PM »
Thanks!!!!!! I just downloaded these. Excellent. This and the Tristano recordings are a great pleasure.

Try also Giuseppe Andaloro's CD called Cruel Beauty.
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #274 on: November 18, 2017, 12:47:54 AM »
Try also Giuseppe Andaloro's CD called Cruel Beauty.
That looks like a good program...another one that's not easy t find for download. I don't know this pianist. Good?

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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #275 on: November 18, 2017, 05:37:35 AM »
That looks like a good program...another one that's not easy t find for download. ?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GO3LRVS/ref=dm_ws_sp_ps_dp
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #276 on: November 18, 2017, 07:00:03 AM »
The label Ricercar has edited some beautiful sets of

Music preceeding and around monteverdi times



The interpretations are IMHO of the highest standard.

An anthology of Cavalli music, I am listening to right now



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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #277 on: November 19, 2017, 01:33:29 AM »
That Cavalli set is gorgeous!

Gave a first spin to Francesco Tristano's nightclub Frescobaldi late last night - thanks so much for the pointer, this will get quite a few more spins I reckon!
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Re: Italian Music from the Late Renaissance and Baroque
« Reply #279 on: January 13, 2018, 05:59:01 AM »


Tremendous old style grand manner harpsichord performances here from Luigi Tagliovini. Horrid harpsichord.
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