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Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
« on: April 10, 2015, 12:50:45 PM »
No thread yet on this interesting Italian composer (1895-1968). He spent much of his later life in the USA having fled from Mussolini's Fascist Italy, once it became influenced by Hitler's anti-semitic decrees (Castelnuovo-Tedesco was Jewish). The new Naxos CD below is wonderful and I have just played it right through with much pleasure. The Violin Concerto 2, 'The Prophets' has been recorded several times before. It is rather in the spirit of Bloch with its biblical inspiration and possesses considerable depth. It has a certain cinematic character and the composer wrote much film music during his time in the USA. The earlier 'Concerto Italiano' has never been recorded before but is just as good. At first I thought that it might be quite a 'light' work but I was wrong and like the 'Prophets' concerto it possesses considerable depth. Basically these are two very enjoyable works if you fancy something different:

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Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2015, 01:04:32 PM »
So far I just have the two Naxos discs of the wonderful Shakespeare overtures, but definitely intend to explore the piano and violin concertos...

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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2015, 01:06:32 PM »
So far I just have the two Naxos discs of the wonderful Shakespeare overtures, but definitely intend to explore the piano and violin concertos...

 :)

Thank you! Let us know what you think. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the violin concertos.  :)
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2015, 02:39:38 PM »
His Guitar Concerto is one of the finest in the idiom. I'll have to give him a listen. I nearly wore out the concerto disc (it's often coupled with the Rodrigo, John Williams soloist). His other music is unfamiliar to me, but I'll check out the Violin Concerto.

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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2015, 09:03:42 PM »
His Guitar Concerto is one of the finest in the idiom. I'll have to give him a listen. I nearly wore out the concerto disc (it's often coupled with the Rodrigo, John Williams soloist). His other music is unfamiliar to me, but I'll check out the Violin Concerto.
Yes, he is known for his guitar music. Let us know what you think when you hear the VC.
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2015, 02:09:04 AM »
Likewise, I only know this composer through his wonderful guitar concerto. I should also investigate his VC.
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2015, 06:56:01 AM »
Likewise, I only know this composer through his wonderful guitar concerto. I should also investigate his VC.
I suspect that you would enjoy it too.
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Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2020, 02:45:43 PM »
Another one of my triumphant thread inspirations! (Only about five years since the previous post) ;D
I think that I need to discover more of Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music this year.
Any recommendations?
Is there a particular recording of the VC No.2 'The Prophets' which you would recommend?
One at a time please.  8)
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Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2020, 04:13:03 PM »
Another one of my triumphant thread inspirations! (Only about five years since the previous post) ;D
I think that I need to discover more of Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music this year.
Any recommendations?
Is there a particular recording of the VC No.2 'The Prophets' which you would recommend?
One at a time please.  8)

I have always wanted his VC's, but while I shopped them intensively about 15 years ago, the only recording I could find was by (IIRC) Heifetz, and I was totally unable to find a copy of it. He had faded from my radar screen since then, but I would still like to get a disk with the concertos on it, maybe there is one now?

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Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2020, 04:26:23 PM »
Another one of my triumphant thread inspirations! (Only about five years since the previous post) ;D
I think that I need to discover more of Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music this year.
Any recommendations?
Is there a particular recording of the VC No.2 'The Prophets' which you would recommend?
One at a time please.  8)
Beyond Concerto ,i would suggest these works of superb craftmanship (IMHO reminds Rota)

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Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2020, 11:20:10 PM »
Beyond Concerto ,i would suggest these works of superb craftmanship (IMHO reminds Rota)

A reply! My goodness. Thank you. I'll definitely look out for that disc.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2020, 12:31:01 AM »
The Shakespeare overtures are great, the sort of music where his style shines. 

Of course, I also love the Guitar Concerto No. 1, particularly the John Williams/Ormandy recording, which you can get as a download now (outside of a giant John Williams box).



Perlman also recorded the Violin Concerto No. 2.  It's coupled with his recording of the Ben-Haim concerto.


https://www.amazon.com/Castelnuovo-Tedesco-Violin-Concerto-No-Ben-Haim/dp/B00000DNPL

(Also in Warner's enormous Perlman box, of course.)

The bios all say he was a successful film composer, but can anyone name one of his film scores?  His guitar music is widely played, and I think that is his legacy.
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Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2020, 06:21:30 AM »
The Shakespeare overtures are great, the sort of music where his style shines. 

Of course, I also love the Guitar Concerto No. 1, particularly the John Williams/Ormandy recording, which you can get as a download now (outside of a giant John Williams box).



Perlman also recorded the Violin Concerto No. 2.  It's coupled with his recording of the Ben-Haim concerto.


https://www.amazon.com/Castelnuovo-Tedesco-Violin-Concerto-No-Ben-Haim/dp/B00000DNPL

(Also in Warner's enormous Perlman box, of course.)

The bios all say he was a successful film composer, but can anyone name one of his film scores?  His guitar music is widely played, and I think that is his legacy.
Thanks Daverz. I have the VC in that recording with the fine Ben-Haim concerto. I will order the Shakespeare overtures.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2020, 09:27:12 AM »
Wikipedia gives this list of film scores

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Credited contributions (full list of the 11 scores that were credited to the composer):

1. The Return of the Vampire (Lew Landers, 1943)
2. The Black Parachute (Lew Landers, 1944)
3. She's a Soldier Too (William Castle, 1944)
4. And Then There Were None (René Clair, 1945)
5. Time Out of Mind (Robert Siodmak, 1947)
6. The Loves of Carmen (Charles Vidor, 1948)
7. Rogues of Sherwood Forest (Gordon Douglas, 1950)
8. The Brave Bulls (Robert Rossen, 1951)
9. Mask of the Avenger (Phil Karlson, 1951)
10. The Brigand (Phil Karlson, 1952)
11. The Long Wait (Victor Saville, 1954)

The link also gives a long list of films to which he made "uncredited contributions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Mario_Castelnuovo-Tedesco#Film_music[34]

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2020, 01:56:27 PM »
Wikipedia gives this list of film scores

The link also gives a long list of films to which he made "uncredited contributions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Mario_Castelnuovo-Tedesco#Film_music[34]
Excellent!
Thanks Jeffrey
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2020, 02:21:18 PM »
Wikipedia gives this list of film scores

Yes, but did he write any scores that have the traction of those by Korngold, Waxman, Rosza, Herrmann, Tiomkin, Steiner, etc?

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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2020, 02:27:55 PM »
Yes, but did he write any scores that have the traction of those by Korngold, Waxman, Rosza, Herrmann, Tiomkin, Steiner, etc?
I don't know any of the films but I doubt it although I'd love to hear some of them.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2020, 05:04:05 PM »
I don't know any of the films but I doubt it although I'd love to hear some of them.

I only recall And Then There Were None (but not the music; I don't recall it as a music heavy film).

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2020, 08:22:50 AM »
No thread yet on this interesting Italian composer (1895-1968). He spent much of his later life in the USA having fled from Mussolini's Fascist Italy, once it became influenced by Hitler's anti-semitic decrees (Castelnuovo-Tedesco was Jewish). The new Naxos CD below is wonderful and I have just played it right through with much pleasure. The Violin Concerto 2, 'The Prophets' has been recorded several times before. It is rather in the spirit of Bloch with its biblical inspiration and possesses considerable depth. It has a certain cinematic character and the composer wrote much film music during his time in the USA. The earlier 'Concerto Italiano' has never been recorded before but is just as good. At first I thought that it might be quite a 'light' work but I was wrong and like the 'Prophets' concerto it possesses considerable depth. Basically these are two very enjoyable works if you fancy something different:


Just been replaying this disc with which I opened this thread and with just as much pleasure. I prefer this recording of the VC 2 'The Prophets' than the Perlman/Mehta version, good as that is. In this version I find that the violin is more integrated with the orchestra and the playing is less 'sugary' as well.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2020, 02:32:15 PM »
Just been replaying this disc with which I opened this thread and with just as much pleasure. I prefer this recording of the VC 2 'The Prophets' than the Perlman/Mehta version, good as that is. In this version I find that the violin is more integrated with the orchestra and the playing is less 'sugary' as well.

Both concertos were a revelation the first time I listened to this amazing CD. Don't know the Perlman CD of the VC 2, but this Naxos one fulfilled my expectations. One of the best CDs I know devoted to Castelnuovo-Tedesco.
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