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« Reply #220 on: July 30, 2017, 03:42:54 AM »
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« Reply #221 on: July 30, 2017, 04:16:47 AM »
Sounds good! Which completion is it?  :)
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« Reply #222 on: September 30, 2017, 10:36:39 PM »
I've really been trying to get the kinds of sounds I hear in my head onto the manuscript paper...I feel as if I am improving by writing these bagatelles for flute and guitar. Three completed, two more to go. I do want to know if the third bagatelle should be written in 10/32 rather than 5/16, what do you think?

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Re: jessop's compositions
« Reply #223 on: September 30, 2017, 11:01:58 PM »
I do want to know if the third bagatelle should be written in 10/32 rather than 5/16, what do you think?

Of course this depends upon the psychological import you want to give the players along with the metronome marking(s).

Regardless of tempo, unless it is actually rather slow, 10/32 sounds way overly precious, and perhaps will be more in the way of the players rendering it than not. 

Everything truly depends as much upon the tempo and the metric as to how you want the sub-groups 'intuitively' felt and inflected by the performers -- which circles back to the psychological impact of what the players first see and continue to see and how they then perform it.

If you want the players counting/thinking '10' then go ahead.  I believe that will be at least a tiny bit laborious, and possibly (and perpetually) hamper their rendering of the piece.  The largest number we can imagine -- before it gets broken into sub-groups -- is FIVE. Ergo, I think counting five and rather intuitively feeling the 32nd values will do you, the score, and the players, in better stead.

Either one, along with tempo marking (and the fact they are called Bagatelles) should render something that feels "fleet."


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« Reply #224 on: September 30, 2017, 11:21:24 PM »
Of course this depends upon the psychological import you want to give the players along with the metronome marking(s).

Regardless of tempo, unless it is actually rather slow, 10/32 sounds way overly precious, and perhaps will be more in the way of the players rendering it than not. 

Everything truly depends as much upon the tempo and the metric as to how you want the sub-groups 'intuitively' felt and inflected by the performers -- which circles back to the psychological impact of what the players first see and continue to see and how they then perform it.

If you want the players counting/thinking '10' then go ahead.  I believe that will be at least a tiny bit laborious, and possibly (and perpetually) hamper their rendering of the piece.  The largest number we can imagine -- before it gets broken into sub-groups -- is FIVE. Ergo, I think counting five and rather intuitively feeling the 32nd values will do you, the score, and the players, in better stead.

Either one, along with tempo marking (and the fact they are called Bagatelles) should render something that feels "fleet."


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Really the feeling I'm going for is two pulses of equal duration divided into five smaller pulses.....perhaps it could more sensibly be written as 2 lots of quaver-tied-to-demisemiquaver?

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« Reply #225 on: September 30, 2017, 11:27:16 PM »
I would go with 10/32.... although the beaming makes the phrasing clear, the way musicians tend to read 5/16 is looking for groups of 2+3/16 or 3+2/16.

Another option would be to keep the 5/16 time signature and double the note values, or keep the note values as they are and change to 5/32, specifying a tempo marking "in one" (quaver-tied-to-demisemiquaver = 64, in this case)

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« Reply #226 on: October 01, 2017, 02:16:43 AM »
Really the feeling I'm going for is two pulses of equal duration divided into five smaller pulses.....perhaps it could more sensibly be written as 2 lots of quaver-tied-to-demisemiquaver?

Then the numerator ten makes complete sense, especially if, in the piano part, you mind the beaming so it looks like 'piano notation' vs. flute / choral notation, with each note with an individual flag.

I would tend to make it 10/8 vs. any lesser denominator, just to avoid what I think of as overly-fussy notation, a clutter of 'caviar' on the page by way of flags, rests.  No musician past the first few years training is senseless enough to think an 8th, 16th or 32nd has a tempo value or particular quality, after all;  we all rely upon metronome marks and perhaps other directives for that :-)

Especially looking forward to audio realizations of these scores...


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« Reply #227 on: October 02, 2017, 06:13:45 PM »
Thanks for the advice. I am actually opting to re-notate the groups of five as quintuplets in 2/8 time, considering I want the main beats to be in 2 above all. Having all the rhythmic information of each note provided in the flags, beams and stemlets allows for less confusion with the articulation and colours shown through use of different kinds of noteheads (such as empty diamond noteheads for breathy tone in the flute). My main concern with composing at the moment is to expand my knowledge and improve my composition of a wider variety of idiomatic timbres and techniques of instruments in a chamber music context.

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Re: jessop's compositions
« Reply #228 on: October 03, 2017, 06:05:51 AM »
Thanks for the advice. I am actually opting to re-notate the groups of five as quintuplets in 2/8 time, considering I want the main beats to be in 2 above all.

Lol, exactly my afterthought after my last post, when I stepped our for a smoke; its standard for some triplet notation, with the simple directive 'sempre.'

I agree, it seems the clearest for what you want, the intent (and actual reading) also the most direct and clear for the players.

Since you agree w me, good choice, lol.


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