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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1380 on: August 15, 2018, 04:27:21 AM »
Yeah, I only listen to chamber music, solo piano and early vocal music.  If I do listen to orchestral music, it is small PI ensembles, and not much beyond Haydn, with the exception of Debussy, especially Pelleas et Melisande.

But if I had to say, classical music would rank only third or fourth among the music I enjoy.

I think it right and proper that if you say “The only orchestral music I listen to is Debussy” then you would also say “and I like almost everything else more.” I have had tons of grief on this board making this simple point!
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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1381 on: August 15, 2018, 05:00:34 AM »
I thought I was the only one here who didn't like Orchestral music much. Nor opera.

I expect 80-90% of my music collection is chamber or solo keyboard music. I don't so much dislike the balance, I just don't have a compelling need for it. So no, not just you (or San Antone!). :)

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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1382 on: August 15, 2018, 05:20:13 AM »
I thought I was the only one here who didn't like Orchestral music much. Nor opera.


My music collection doesn't contain any opera at all, and I do not miss them. 

As to symphonic music I own a fair number of recordings of Beethoven's orchestral music and orchestral works by Brahms, Carl Nielsen, Stravinsky, Bartok, Hindemith and a few others, but it amounts all in all to less than 5% of my entire collection.


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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1383 on: August 15, 2018, 05:50:45 AM »
What can I say?  I have always liked orchestral music, and the experience of playing in orchestras has only served to reinforce that.
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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1384 on: August 15, 2018, 05:52:59 AM »
I think it right and proper that if you say “The only orchestral music I listen to is Debussy” then you would also say “and I like almost everything else more.” I have had tons of grief on this board making this simple point!
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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1385 on: August 16, 2018, 06:00:52 AM »
I like orchestral music that was actually written for orchestra.

If it was written for piano or a chamber ensemble, leave it the hell alone.
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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1386 on: August 16, 2018, 06:06:48 AM »
You have quite the quarrel with Ravel, then.
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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1387 on: August 17, 2018, 01:30:30 AM »
You have quite the quarrel with Ravel, then.

Not especially, no. I have a lot less quarrel with composers doing it themselves (especially not when they do it nearly contemporaneously with the original), and Ravel didn't do it that much, and he himself regarded at least one of his orchestrations to be a mistake.
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Re: The Historically Informed Performances (HIP) debate
« Reply #1388 on: August 17, 2018, 02:28:09 AM »
Ravel should have kept his hands off Musorgsky's Pictures from an Exhibition though (likewise most of the other aspiring orchestrators out there....)

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« Reply #1389 on: August 17, 2018, 03:06:20 AM »
Not especially, no. I have a lot less quarrel with composers doing it themselves (especially not when they do it nearly contemporaneously with the original), and Ravel didn't do it that much, and he himself regarded at least one of his orchestrations to be a mistake.

You remind me that I need to finish that biography of Ravel.
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