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Offline PerfectWagnerite

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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2016, 07:01:16 AM »
About 20, I could have overlooked one; it is an absurd number considering that I never really collected the piece on purpose...


As is common with warhorses, they find their way into box sets of all sorts and you just wind up with a boat load of them...

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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2016, 07:02:04 AM »
As is common with warhorses, they find their way into box sets of all sorts and you just wind up with a boat load of them...

Especially relatively short warhorses that can be used as filler material.  ;)

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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2016, 07:36:35 AM »
About half of mine are in boxes, but two of them are boxes with Schubert symphonies only.
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
(Bob Dylan)

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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2016, 10:24:55 AM »
What recordings do people own?

I have no favourite, but consider the Marriner set to be mainly for completists though:

- Mengelberg,CtGeb 1942 & 1939 (?)
- Abendroth,Leipzig (1950)
- Scherchen,Wiener StatsOper
- Szell,ClevelandSO
- Harnoncourt/CtGebouw
- Mravinsky,LeningradPO (1978)
- C.Kleiber,VPO (1979)
- Marriner,AcStM
I did get Philippe Jordan recording with the Wiener Symphoniker last year


motivated by the high resolution.  The sound and the interpretation are excellent.  However, I was hoping to get the three dimensional sound rendition of a concert Hall, and on that count, this fell a bit short.  The other performance I have is C. Kleiber with the Vienna Philaharmonic, also musically excellent.
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Of black, of damp, of night
And all it touches in this flight
Suddenly is over.

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Offline PerfectWagnerite

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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2016, 10:49:10 AM »
i am so jaded by this piece i cant tell if it is good performance or bad.

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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2016, 11:01:10 AM »
If you want something rather different, try Spering/op.111. It is by far the fastest recording I have heard and rather lean toned, so many will not find it dark or mysterious enough but it's consistent and achieves a dancing quality in the andante while keeping some tempo difference between the movements.
Whereas Brüggen (very slow in the first mvmt, not only compared to other HIPsters) takes both movements almost at the same tempo, only slightly slower in the andante.
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2016, 11:13:48 AM »
I did get Philippe Jordan recording with the Wiener Symphoniker last year


motivated by the high resolution.  The sound and the interpretation are excellent.  However, I was hoping to get the three dimensional sound rendition of a concert Hall, and on that count, this fell a bit short.  The other performance I have is C. Kleiber with the Vienna Philaharmonic, also musically excellent.
I HATE when they call the last 2 symphonies 7 and 8.

BTW why does the backcover say MUSIKVEREIN? Doesn't the Vienna Symphoniker play at the Konzert Haus?

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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2016, 10:16:57 PM »
[...]
BTW why does the backcover say MUSIKVEREIN? Doesn't the Vienna Symphoniker play at the Konzert Haus?
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Aufnahmeort: Musikverein Wien, 15. /16. November 2014 („Unfinished“)
Musikverein Wien, 11./12. April 2015 („The Great“)


http://www.wienersymphoniker.at/Home/Service-Kontakt/Presse/Presseaussendungen/Franz-Schubert
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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2016, 06:56:39 AM »
BTW why does the backcover say MUSIKVEREIN? Doesn't the Vienna Symphoniker play at the Konzert Haus?

They regularly play there. When I visited Vienna I heard them in the Musikverein.

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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2016, 09:06:14 AM »
This one does it for me, Schubert being early romantic, there should be in the playing manner much of what we associate with 'classical' delivery -- no schmaltzing about, clarity, and this one has an unstoppable continuum of forward motion in the way of its rhythmic drive.  Too, it is performed by an orchestra with about the number of players it would have had when 'new.'

There is such a wide variance in recordings and deliveries that it somewhat proves out my theory that much great music, suffering stylistic faux pax or entire misses, still comes through to the listener and is somewhat "indestructible."

Chamber orchestra of Europe, Maestro Abbado at the helm....
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Enjoy.


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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2016, 09:09:52 AM »
Well, my second-hand copies of the DGG Kleiber and Sinopoli versions arrived today and I have enjoyed both enormously. I marginally prefer the Sinopoli which is about five minutes longer than the Kleiber version and projects a rather 'darker' image, especially at the start. My favourite section, at the end of the first movement goes brilliantly in both versions and I'm delighted to have two rather different performances. Thanks again for all your suggestions.
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Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2017, 04:32:42 AM »
As each year rolls by, I've come to love Newbould's completion of the 8th - it sounds convincing to my ear.


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Re: Schubert's Unfinished Symphony.
« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2017, 04:57:05 AM »
The "completion" is also far less of a stretch than many others. The "finale" is a complete piece by Schubert and there is even a plausible hypothesis that the movement had been composed by Schubert as a finale to the b minor fragment and only later ended up in the incidental music. (Even if this hypothesis is wrong, the movement is nevertheless all original Schubert.)
The scherzo was sketched to a considerable extent to Newbould only had to complete and orchestrate the scherzo. As the scherzo usually is the simplest and most predictable movement not as daunting a task as e.g. completing the finale of the "Reliquie" D 840.
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
(Bob Dylan)

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