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« Reply #15980 on: April 27, 2019, 04:06:52 PM »
But the people pushing back at encroaching authoritarianism are the "fools" - right?


Absolutely.  They are also gullible.  For instance, Russia!
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« Reply #15981 on: April 27, 2019, 04:12:32 PM »
This is all just one big episode of Jerry Springer for you, isn't it?

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« Reply #15982 on: April 27, 2019, 04:25:55 PM »
This is all just one big episode of Jerry Springer for you, isn't it?


No, it's far better.  Dems and their non-American fellow travelers generate more gibberish in fifteen minutes than any one hour slot of Springer ever could.
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« Reply #15983 on: April 27, 2019, 06:22:04 PM »
Go on, then: how is this "delightful"? And this goes well past mere "campaign rhetoric", don't you think?

The Trumpists have been talking about the Mueller investigation as "a coup" since it started.  Trump is simply repeating what his audience regularly reads in Breitbart, Townhall, etc on a regular basis. So this was merely a continuation, not an escalation.

But it is authoritarian rhetoric.

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« Reply #15984 on: April 27, 2019, 06:28:58 PM »
Thanks, that was exactly

perhaps not unrelated:

Trump isn’t just defying Congress. He’s rejecting the whole idea of oversight.

Of course: accountability is for losers not named Trump; and the GOP agrees.
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« Reply #15985 on: April 27, 2019, 11:41:09 PM »

No, it's far better.  Dems and their non-American fellow travelers generate more gibberish in fifteen minutes than any one hour slot of Springer ever could.

Kyle Kulinski and some other lefties like Jimmy Dore said from day one the Mueller report won't find proof of collusion by Trump/Russia and that instead Dems should concentrate on Trump's financial crimes: Bank frauds, money laundering, violation of emolument clause etc.
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« Reply #15986 on: April 28, 2019, 12:07:17 AM »
Kyle Kulinski and some other lefties like Jimmy Dore said from day one the Mueller report won't find proof of collusion by Trump/Russia and that instead Dems should concentrate on Trump's financial crimes: Bank frauds, money laundering, violation of emolument clause etc.

Clever idea.... After all, Al Capone got busted for tax evasion....  :D

The simpler the crime, the better it will stick...

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« Reply #15987 on: April 28, 2019, 02:15:37 AM »
Clever idea.... After all, Al Capone got busted for tax evasion....  :D

The simpler the crime, the better it will stick...

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Exactly. That's what Kyle Kulinski says, Al Capone! How much do they talk about these "simpler crimes" in the corporate media? In the independent lefty media I follow these crimes are talked about a lot. It's as if the corporate media is not interested of the crimes themselves, but it's all a political game for them. Talk about Russia all day long so you don't need to talk about things that matter to people such as healthcare...
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« Reply #15988 on: April 28, 2019, 04:39:36 AM »
Kyle Kulinski and some other lefties like Jimmy Dore said from day one the Mueller report won't find proof of collusion by Trump/Russia and that instead Dems should concentrate on Trump's financial crimes: Bank frauds, money laundering, violation of emolument clause etc.

Clever idea.... After all, Al Capone got busted for tax evasion....  :D

The simpler the crime, the better it will stick...

Exactly. That's what Kyle Kulinski says, Al Capone!


This is fantastic, especially coming from non-Americans.  There has been much hopeful chatter about various other investigations being used to get Trump.  (The presumption of guilt is obvious.)  The problem is that Trump is the President, not just a regular citizen.  Continuing politically motivated investigations and prosecutions against him after he leaves office will pay political dividends for Republicans.  And make no mistake, the cheerleading from the sidelines is inherently political even if one attempts to make the case that the legal proceedings themselves are not.  (This, of course, requires one to ignore the political process used to elect state level criminal justice officials, and the highly politicized process used to appoint federal judges and the politicized nature of Senate confirmed appointments.)  The more important Trump remains after he leaves office, the more he and his fate can be used for gain.  A Nancy Pelosi type response after Trump's defeat is likely the better approach long-term, but fortunately there is a good chance that won't happen.  Best possible case, the US ends up in a Brazil-type situation in the coming years.

And anyone hoping for something meaningful to come from the Emoluments Clause is a moron.


But it is authoritarian rhetoric.


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« Reply #15989 on: April 28, 2019, 06:19:53 AM »

This is fantastic, especially coming from non-Americans.  There has been much hopeful chatter about various other investigations being used to get Trump.  (The presumption of guilt is obvious.)  The problem is that Trump is the President, not just a regular citizen.  Continuing politically motivated investigations and prosecutions against him after he leaves office will pay political dividends for Republicans.  And make no mistake, the cheerleading from the sidelines is inherently political even if one attempts to make the case that the legal proceedings themselves are not.  (This, of course, requires one to ignore the political process used to elect state level criminal justice officials, and the highly politicized process used to appoint federal judges and the politicized nature of Senate confirmed appointments.)  The more important Trump remains after he leaves office, the more he and his fate can be used for gain.  A Nancy Pelosi type response after Trump's defeat is likely the better approach long-term, but fortunately there is a good chance that won't happen.  Best possible case, the US ends up in a Brazil-type situation in the coming years.

This is empty blather. Trump is an habitual felon. As soon as he became a viable candidate his fate was sealed because it's impossible to suppress that much wrongdoing in the long term. Since becoming president he has committed at least two felonies for which he's likely already under sealed indictment. Mueller has made an overwhelming case for nine more. Financial investigations will reveal a pattern of bank, tax, and insurance fraud. The man can't help himself. There are twelve ongoing investigations referred by Mueller's team that we know nothing about due to redactions. There's no compelling reason to regard any of this as inherently political. This is just what happens when low rent criminals call too much attention to themselves. Politicizing this is obviously comforting to you. But it's nothing more than stupid, venal criminality throwing itself under the wheels of justice.
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« Reply #15990 on: April 28, 2019, 06:26:23 AM »
Trump is an habitual felon. As soon as he became a viable candidate his fate was sealed because it's impossible to suppress that much wrongdoing in the long term. Since becoming president he has committed at least two felonies for which he's likely already under sealed indictment. Mueller has made an overwhelming case for nine more. Financial investigations will reveal a pattern of bank, tax, and insurance fraud. The man can't help himself. There are twelve ongoing investigations referred by Mueller's team that we know nothing about due to redactions. There's no compelling reason to regard any of this as inherently political. This is just what happens when low rent criminals call too much attention to themselves. Politicizing this is obviously comforting to you. But it's nothing more than stupid, venal criminality throwing itself under the wheels of justice.


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« Reply #15991 on: April 28, 2019, 07:08:22 AM »

Ace analysis, Matlock.

Your usual substance free posting. Meanwhile, your contentions that any of what is befalling Trump has been politically motivated don't stand up. Every one of the eleven felonies in which Trump is currently implicated was the result of an investigation headed by a Republican, called into being and supervised by a Republican deputy AG, and testified to by a string of Republican staffers, cronies, and co-conspirators. Politics had nothing to do with any of it. His financial crimes will eventually be prosecuted apolitically as well. 
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« Reply #15992 on: April 28, 2019, 07:25:52 AM »
I defy anyone to find a post on this web site in which Todd concedes that one of his interlocutors has made a valid point. I don't know what you expect.

I don't even know if Todd agrees with the opinions he espouses here. The only thing that is clear is that his primary motivation is to wind people up.

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« Reply #15993 on: April 28, 2019, 08:01:32 AM »

This is fantastic, especially coming from non-Americans.  There has been much hopeful chatter about various other investigations being used to get Trump.  (The presumption of guilt is obvious.)  The problem is that Trump is the President, not just a regular citizen.  Continuing politically motivated investigations and prosecutions against him after he leaves office will pay political dividends for Republicans.  And make no mistake, the cheerleading from the sidelines is inherently political even if one attempts to make the case that the legal proceedings themselves are not. 

Oh, come on... Trump is just an ordinary white collar crook, who got away with it all through connections (and money). 
Unfortunately for him, he didn't get the memo that his methods only work if you stay out of the limelight.
His vanity will be his downfall - classic case!  8)

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« Reply #15994 on: April 28, 2019, 08:08:57 AM »
Your usual substance free posting.


It's at least as substantive as anything you've ever written.  More so, actually.


The only thing that is clear is that his primary motivation is to wind people up.


I've been very clear that my motivation is entertainment.  Like when various folks here prattled on about treason.  So entertaining.


Oh, come on... Trump is just an ordinary white collar crook, who got away with it all through connections (and money). 
Unfortunately for him, he didn't get the memo that his methods only work if you stay out of the limelight.
His vanity will be his downfall - classic case!  8)

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Perhaps some of this is true, perhaps not.  But the Russia thing collapsed, and obstruction is weak sauce in comparison.  The various other nefarious deeds Trump is alleged to have engaged in don't cut the mustard when it comes to anti-democratic election nullification.  Trump's "downfall" will be the next election, or the 22nd Amendment. 
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« Reply #15995 on: April 28, 2019, 10:32:47 AM »
This is fantastic, especially coming from non-Americans.

Your condescending attitude toward me and other non-Americans on this board is getting pretty tiring.  ::)

The president can't be indicted when in office. That's why there's impeachment procedure, but insane Republicans won't impeach their president no matter what so what are Americans going to do to their criminal president? Nothing? That means the president is above the law and not really a president, but a dictator if there's no checks and balances. Since the US is practically an oligarchy anyway, that wouldn't be much of a difference I guess...
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« Reply #15996 on: April 28, 2019, 11:53:17 AM »
To be fair, Todd is about as condescending towards the Americans on the board as he is towards the foreigners. This may not make it less tiring.
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« Reply #15997 on: April 28, 2019, 12:16:15 PM »
Your condescending attitude toward me and other non-Americans on this board is getting pretty tiring.


And?


The president can't be indicted when in office. That's why there's impeachment procedure


Factually incorrect.  You need to read up on history and con law.


...but insane Republicans...


Republicans are quite sane and rational and politically calculating.  Take a look at recent polls regarding how many Americans want impeachment to proceed.


Since the US is practically an oligarchy anyway


Another of your other hobby horses, and this one is based on your profound ignorance of America.  As per usual.







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« Reply #15998 on: April 28, 2019, 12:22:11 PM »

Factually incorrect.  You need to read up on history and con law.


The DoJ agrees with him.  Are you saying their knowledge of constitutional law is deficient?

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« Reply #15999 on: April 28, 2019, 12:44:45 PM »
To be fair, Todd is about as condescending towards the Americans on the board as he is towards the foreigners. This may not make it less tiring.
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