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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #6360 on: October 20, 2017, 01:43:58 AM »
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« Reply #6361 on: October 20, 2017, 12:09:47 PM »
Has anyone yet come up with an explanation for why the "F-----g Moron" administration put Chad on the new travel ban list? An inexcusable foreign policy blunder like that requires some sort of accounting.

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« Reply #6362 on: October 20, 2017, 12:20:48 PM »
Has anyone yet come up with an explanation for why the "F-----g Moron" administration put Chad on the new travel ban list? An inexcusable foreign policy blunder like that requires some sort of accounting.

Her Majesty's Government thinks Chad may not be the best place to travel to...
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/chad/terrorism

The official excuse sounds like the punch line for a joke (ran out of passport paper).  I suspect the motive was window dressing,  so the administration could say it's not targeting Moslem dominated countries (about 52% of the people of Chad are Moslem, so it's barely a Moslem majority country).

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« Reply #6363 on: October 20, 2017, 12:43:07 PM »
Expecting the current system to remain in place indefinitely is fantastical.
Absolutely. As with every world order, it will only last til the next world war. But people like you hope to hasten the historical process - which is always contingent, no necessity - as much as possible. More conservative political wisdom will refrain from such an attempt to jump into that abyss with so much eagerness.
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« Reply #6364 on: October 20, 2017, 12:47:59 PM »
Has anyone yet come up with an explanation for why the "F-----g Moron" administration put Chad on the new travel ban list?

Maybe they thought Chad was a person.
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« Reply #6365 on: October 20, 2017, 12:49:34 PM »
Maybe they thought Chad was a person.

Perhaps they didn't want to leave it hanging around.

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« Reply #6366 on: October 20, 2017, 12:58:39 PM »
But people like you hope to hasten the historical process - which is always contingent, no necessity - as much as possible.


You have it exactly wrong.  I want to see a peaceful transition away from the current, Western dominated order to one that takes account of the major demographic and economic changes that have occurred in the last 70 years and will continue into the future rather than wait for large scale wars to force the issue.  The outcome of potential future large scale wars may very well result in a far less advantageous bargaining position for the US than advocating for changes now or in the near future.  Europe can fend for itself.
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« Reply #6367 on: October 20, 2017, 03:44:50 PM »
     Trump used to read his speeches back when he could read.

Maybe he did audiobooks.
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« Reply #6368 on: October 20, 2017, 03:46:04 PM »
We can acknowledge that W has been pretty classy as an ex-President without romanticizing his presidency. For all of Trump’s buffoonery and ineptitude, he hasn’t done anything within an order of magnitude of starting the Iraq War. (Yet.)

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« Reply #6369 on: October 20, 2017, 03:47:21 PM »
Maybe they thought Chad was a person.

And he's tired of dangling.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #6370 on: October 20, 2017, 04:15:12 PM »
Has anyone yet come up with an explanation for why the "F-----g Moron" administration put Chad on the new travel ban list? An inexcusable foreign policy blunder like that requires some sort of accounting.
Between Chad on the travel ban and the deaths of 4 US soldiers in Niger under extremely unclear circumstances, the military action being undertaken in the Sahel area may be more significant than the US government prefers to be known at this point.

I mean it was probably extremely incompetent to publicly put Chad on the travel ban list in any case lol. Probably we'll learn all about it once Trump's out of office via best-selling tell-all memoirs from administration officials trying to cash in.

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« Reply #6371 on: October 20, 2017, 04:35:52 PM »
Between Chad on the travel ban and the deaths of 4 US soldiers in Niger under extremely unclear circumstances, the military action being undertaken in the Sahel area may be more significant than the US government prefers to be known at this point.


There have been scattered stories about activities on the continent for years.  AmPo ran a story in 2014 with the below infographic.  Activities on the continent have expanded since then (NPR reports deployments in 20 countries).  There are multiple drone bases across the continent.  Exact troop numbers aren't available, but Mattis puts it at about 1,000, but I would guess that excludes intelligence agency types.  It's all part of our permanent war.  Good times.


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« Reply #6372 on: October 20, 2017, 04:42:11 PM »
I mean I'm not surprised, the Mogadishu truck bombing last week was one of the deadliest terror attacks since 9/11, but that's far enough from Niger and Chad that it might be just coincidental.

Wonder what Boko Haram's up to lately. Or Al-Qaeda in the Western Sahara or w/e it's called. Probably there's some military force authorisation covering it that was voted for by 99 senators.

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« Reply #6373 on: October 20, 2017, 05:08:42 PM »
Probably there's some military force authorisation covering it that was voted for by 99 senators.


Very broad interpretation of the two Bush era AUMFs basically allows for fighting any Al-Qaeda group or sub-group anywhere.  It gets trickier when groups like ISIS or Boko Haram enter the fray, so looking the other way works best.
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« Reply #6374 on: October 20, 2017, 05:42:11 PM »
Ugh! I just listened to Chief of Staff John Kelly proving David Brooks's adage that everyone who associates themselves with the Trump administration is debased and sullied by the experience. Kelly disgraced himself by lying about Congresswoman Frederica Wilson's words at the dedication of an FBI field office, by criticizing her for eavesdropping on Trump's phone call, and by making unintentionally ironic remarks like bemoaning that women are no longer respected, "as recent cases" demonstrate — that in a rant defending p---y grabbing Trump!  :laugh:



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« Reply #6375 on: October 21, 2017, 01:01:39 AM »
Ugh! I just listened to Chief of Staff John Kelly proving David Brooks's adage that everyone who associates themselves with the Trump administration is debased and sullied by the experience. Kelly disgraced himself by lying about Congresswoman Frederica Wilson's words at the dedication of an FBI field office, by criticizing her for eavesdropping on Trump's phone call, and by making unintentionally ironic remarks like bemoaning that women are no longer respected, "as recent cases" demonstrate — that in a rant defending p---y grabbing Trump!  :laugh:
Disrespectful to the family of the fallen soldier. This family has more right to decide who listens in to a conference-call than John Kelly. Did HE ask their permission? This leaves it up to the imagination to guess at just why it is they find it so easy to repeatedly disrespect this serviceman. There is no low place to which they will not stoop. Being that they know Lump is an ignorant lazy racist lying predator, perhaps they feel they will be forgiven for the nastiness they do in order to keep scum like Trump satisfied. 

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« Reply #6377 on: October 21, 2017, 09:07:23 AM »
Disrespectful to the family of the fallen soldier. This family has more right to decide who listens in to a conference-call than John Kelly. Did HE ask their permission? This leaves it up to the imagination to guess at just why it is they find it so easy to repeatedly disrespect this serviceman. There is no low place to which they will not stoop. Being that they know Lump is an ignorant lazy racist lying predator, perhaps they feel they will be forgiven for the nastiness they do in order to keep scum like Trump satisfied.

Well, Kelly says his first advice to Trump was not to call. But I guess since Trump claimed he calls families and Obama didn't, he felt obliged to do so. He should have taken Kelly's advice. In lieu of that he could have bothered to learn La David Johnson's name before making the call.

The specificity of Kelly's fabrication about Congresswoman Wilson was disturbing, especially his claim that she called her friend Obama and immediately got the funding for the FBI field office. Why did his slanderous fantasy have to postulate a black conspiracy?

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #6378 on: October 21, 2017, 09:07:34 AM »
I thought the plan of cutting taxes on the super rich and paying for them with cuts to healthcare for the poor was a suicidal political strategy, but it turns out to look a lot better compared to the new plan of cutting taxes on the super rich and paying for them by raising taxes on the middle class (and also probably cuts to healthcare for the poor).

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #6379 on: October 21, 2017, 09:16:34 AM »
Trump now announced the release of secret JFK assassination files. He'll score some points among the public for that.
Haven't checked the procedures yet, I'm busy today, but I wonder if it will be the case, can he pick and choose exactly which individual documents, and thus also maybe discredit certain players, sustain some theories etc. Or whether it's more of a general packet. Or whether they turn out to be unimportant anyway.
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