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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7040 on: November 18, 2017, 08:36:16 AM »
[El Presidente Tupé] is an ultimate and consummate worshiper of money, sex and power. American Christians have not really reckoned with the climate he has created in our country and the spiritual obligation we have to repair it. As a result, the soul of our nation and the integrity of the Christian faith are at risk.

Emphasis on material prosperity depends on what period one is talking about, as in the Italian Renaissance when Bishops and even Popes didn't spurn velvet and gold.
Self-reliance and simplicity of aspirations were mainly in times when there wasn't a heck of a lot to go around, as in the pioneer days of the US. Hedonism is another thing as in the last days of the Roman Empire. Too bad we are closer to the latter than the former and it is not the fault of Donald Trump.
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« Reply #7041 on: November 18, 2017, 08:45:41 AM »
Oh, but I do think that hedonism is a fault of his.  Most thinking people would assent to this.

And thank you, I agree that The Narcissist in Chief does have much in common with the corrupt materialistic Popes of yore  0:)


There is much else to the article's point which you are glibly missing, of course, in your eagerness to exculpate the inexculpable.
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« Reply #7042 on: November 18, 2017, 09:06:50 AM »
Oh, but I do think that hedonism is a fault of his.  Most thinking people would assent to this.
And thank you, I agree that The Narcissist in Chief does have much in common with the corrupt materialistic Popes of yore  0:)
There is much else to the article's point which you are glibly missing, of course, in your eagerness to exculpate the inexculpable.

Get a grip, he doesn't smoke nor drink and seems to be faithful to his wife.
I don't see anything wrong per se with being rich. Poor people can be just as corrupt.
Emphasis on creating jobs, bringing business back to the US, promoting general prosperity as the result of work, are not to be sneered at. Some politicians are only good in telling the people to tighten their belts.
Most politicians get rich by graft and mooching, big difference between them and businessmen.

Oh, and by the way:
https://conservativetribune.com/800-obama-regulations-cut/

His administration is cutting through Obama-era regulations like a hot knife through butter.
Mick Mulvaney, Office of Management and Budget Director for President Trump, stated the administration was dealing with “that slow cancer that can come from regulatory burdens that we put on our people,” according to Reuters. The Washington Examiner even reports that Trump is on course to top Former President Ronald Reagan when it comes to cutting regulations.
That’s a record hardly dreamed by many conservatives, but according to Competitive Enterprise Institute Vice President Clyde Wayne Crews, “It took a few years for Ronald Reagan to achieve his ultimate, one-third reduction in Federal Register pages following Jimmy Carter’s then-record Federal Register.
“So by this metric, Trump is moving much faster.”
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« Reply #7043 on: November 18, 2017, 09:32:30 AM »
Get a grip, he doesn't smoke nor drink and seems to be faithful to his wife.
I don't see anything wrong per se with being rich. Poor people can be just as corrupt.
Emphasis on creating jobs, bringing business back to the US, promoting general prosperity as the result of work, are not to be sneered at. Some politicians are only good in telling the people to tighten their belts.
Most politicians get rich by graft and mooching, big difference between them and businessmen.

So sexually assaulting women who aren't his wife doesn't count as unfaithfulness?  :laugh: How about Russian prostitutes?

As for corruption, Trump's main business for decades has been money laundering for foreign politicians and dictators who got rich through graft and corruption, as well as criminals, some of whom made their money through prostitution, human trafficking, and drugs. Trump Towers in Panama, Istanbul, Azerbaijan, Toronto and NYC, to name a few, are laundromats for dirty cash. The Trump organization takes a cut of every unit bought (and usually left unoccupied) in these buildings with dirty money. Trump is the vilest sort of bottom feeder, a career criminal who is dragging the standing of this country through the mud.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7045 on: November 18, 2017, 04:04:37 PM »
Ivanka’s signature real estate deals were disasters linked to drug cartels and money laundering

"Before her father became president, Ivanka Trump tied herself more closely to two of her father’s international projects than any others.

One, in Panama, was the current president’s first international foray — a building, according to the developer, that Donald Trump wanted to be Ivanka’s “baby.” The other, in Azerbaijan, was a project Ivanka herself claimed she “oversaw” — one for which, according to an Azeri lawyer involved with the project, the president’s daughter “personally approved everything.”

Neither project succeeded, at least from the Trumps’ point of view. The board of directors of Panama’s Trump Ocean Club eventually fired Trump’s management company, citing budget over-runs and improper bonuses. Meanwhile, the development of Trump Tower Baku was so poorly managed — thanks to shoddy construction and missing payments — that The New Yorker dubbed the building “Trump’s worst deal.” Both remain marked blots on the president’s supposed business chops — and on the record of his daughter, who remains a special adviser to the president.

But a pair of recent, in-depth investigations reveal the bungled buildings point to far more concerning missteps than mistimed bonuses or poor designs. The president and his daughter appear to have been, at best, unwitting accomplices to money laundering and grand corruption on a significant scale."

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« Reply #7046 on: November 19, 2017, 06:07:25 AM »
Ivanka’s signature real estate deals were disasters linked to drug cartels and money laundering

"Before her father became president, Ivanka Trump tied herself more closely to two of her father’s international projects than any others.

One, in Panama, was the current president’s first international foray — a building, according to the developer, that Donald Trump wanted to be Ivanka’s “baby.” The other, in Azerbaijan, was a project Ivanka herself claimed she “oversaw” — one for which, according to an Azeri lawyer involved with the project, the president’s daughter “personally approved everything.”

Neither project succeeded, at least from the Trumps’ point of view. The board of directors of Panama’s Trump Ocean Club eventually fired Trump’s management company, citing budget over-runs and improper bonuses. Meanwhile, the development of Trump Tower Baku was so poorly managed — thanks to shoddy construction and missing payments — that The New Yorker dubbed the building “Trump’s worst deal.” Both remain marked blots on the president’s supposed business chops — and on the record of his daughter, who remains a special adviser to the president.

But a pair of recent, in-depth investigations reveal the bungled buildings point to far more concerning missteps than mistimed bonuses or poor designs. The president and his daughter appear to have been, at best, unwitting accomplices to money laundering and grand corruption on a significant scale."

Depends on ones definition of success. Didn't Ivanka pre-sell (through intermediaries) hundreds of units in the Panama Tower for 120K a pop? And she walked away with at least a couple of million on the Baku deal. These "failures" aren't bugs in the Trump organization's business practice, they are features. The management fees and bonuses, along with the cost of Trump branding, are pure profit and required no skin in the game. Trump managed to extract millions from his failed casinos in New Jersey by paying himself a salary with company money and sticking the holders of the junk bonds that funded the project with the losses. Failure is his business model. It's amazing the brand still sells, given that by any practical standard Trump's name isn't worth the toilet paper it's wiped on.

Unwitting? They have lawyers, right? They should have asked one! Their partner in Baku was Azerbaijan's transportation minister, who on a salary of $14K per year mysteriously became a multi-billionaire. Dealing with him at all, not to mention Ivanka taking a couple of million from the project, puts the Trump organization afoul of the foreign corrupt practices act. I believe that alone could mean jail time.
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« Reply #7047 on: November 20, 2017, 10:19:45 AM »

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« Reply #7048 on: November 20, 2017, 12:12:54 PM »
A one-two from Bruce Bartlett: Republican tax cuts will box in Dems, and then Republicans will start in on dismantling not only the Great Society, but also the New Deal itself.

Can Dems thwart Republicans?

(Note the ultra-lefty policy pedigree of Mr Bartlett.)
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« Reply #7052 on: November 20, 2017, 02:38:50 PM »

     Repubs have tried creating large deficits to be filled by Medicare and Social Security later. This goes back to "starve the beast" under Reagan, the idea that you cut taxes to undermine popular programs. I don't think it will ever work. Trying to cut these programs does more to undermine the perp than the program. Remember Bush and privatization? Voters know what "privatization" and "block grant" mean.
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« Reply #7053 on: November 20, 2017, 02:43:58 PM »
     Repubs have tried creating large deficits to be filled by Medicare and Social Security later. This goes back to "starve the beast" under Reagan, the idea that you cut taxes to undermine popular programs. I don't think it will ever work. Trying to cut these programs does more to undermine the perp than the program. Remember Bush and privatization? Voters know what "privatization" and "block grant" mean.

DEFLECTION!!! ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!

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« Reply #7054 on: November 20, 2017, 03:20:30 PM »
Unless there's an R next your name on the ballot!

You Washington Post haters can spare yourselves the pain of reading. (And: she says “vehicle”!!!!)

Republicans will tell your they support Moore and [El Tupé] as vehicles to policy goals. That assumes (falsely) that their policy goals are noble when they are actually unrealistic, unpopular, inconsistent and unconservative. Run up the debt, say the fiscal hawks. Take away health-care coverage, say the GOP “reformers.” Ban Muslims, round up Dreamers and slash legal immigration say the “Constitutional conservatives” and “market capitalists.” Worst of all: Vote for “values,” say the charlatans who backed [El Tupé].

In truth, the goals these Republicans care about, if they ever did, have long ago been sublimated (they certainly changed them entirely) to the goal of holding power, of winning. When that is the highest calling they’ll vote for alleged child predators, racists and just about anyone else with an “R” next to his or her name. The result is moral chaos, political malfeasance and gross incompetence. And [an El Presidente Tupé].


Great headline, too:  The face of a soulless, intellectually corrupt party

Beverly Young Nelson's step-son, does not trust her

Gloria Allred Refuses Independent Handwriting Analysis


Karl, it's your fault, because, since you have blindly voted D for almost 70 years, you have have allowed,... yes, you!,... this R Party thing to happen. Had you, perhaps, been more MOR you would have kept an eye on both, but, no, you were navel gazing whilst the baRbarians plied their frat house behind the scenes shenanigans- for decades and decades, and then you have an arch-Liberal, W, and people like you called him an R,

K'know, back in the 80s90s, we all thought trump was a dikk, but now, in 2017, we have seen all these other flippin egregious f-ups, up to and not limited to QueenBloodbath herself, so that, no, after the last two months, since no one has actually accused Moore of underaege soedoemy, no one gives a f*. With Franken, there's that look in his eyes in the pic, that people can see he'd prolly luuuv to sod homy her,... hey, why not?

George Bush = apologized
Al Franken = apologized
Richard dreyfuss =apologized
about five other people in the last three weeks = apologized


I dunno, I only trust women 50% of the time, so,... there's that.


But, seriously, my take on it is that if God really cared if the Rs "needed" to keep power, or something,  then, if things get shaky, you'd probably start to see a few Ds start having accidents, or sick, or,... you know,... so, hey!, it's in God's Hands!! 0:)


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« Reply #7055 on: November 20, 2017, 03:33:25 PM »
DEFLECTION!!! ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!

    I did. Voters rebel against the kind of cuts Repubs want to make. There's another factor that dooms the Repub strategy, their own understanding of fiscal balances leads them to think their tax cuts will open a hole that must be filled. It's not true. Deficits are a kind of balance just like surpluses or a zero balance. They have a functional meaning. They are adjusted for reasons among which are preserving spending considered essential.
   
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« Reply #7056 on: November 20, 2017, 05:21:02 PM »
Karl, it's your fault, because, since you have blindly voted D for almost 70 years

Like the President, you start out with bad information.  But it doesn't stop you from jawing on and on.
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« Reply #7058 on: November 21, 2017, 06:34:47 AM »
I dunno, I only trust women 50% of the time, so,... there's that.

Timing is everything, also money under the table.

But, seriously, my take on it is that if God really cared if the Rs "needed" to keep power, or something,  then, if things get shaky, you'd probably start to see a few Ds start having accidents, or sick, or,... you know,... so, hey!, it's in God's Hands!! 0:)

This might be considered stretching the topic, but I see so essential difference between entrenched R's and D's. Those on the Left hated Bush but for the wrong reasons I believe. He is only the other side of the coin, he and his family as the dark shadow, even worse than the libs because they don't broadcast their nefarious agenda.

This was an interesting read today, having to do with the collusion because scientism and social engineering which I believe we are up to our necks in:
https://calvinistinternational.com/2013/02/24/the-politics-of-n-i-c-e/

That Hideous Strength sets Prof. Lewis apart from Messrs. Huxley and Orwell, however, both in its supernaturalism and its attention to the decadence of the mid-century academic mindset, the latter of which helped establish the conditions for technocrats to lay claim to the status of intellectual elite...Embodying the worst features of both “Right” and “Left” political thought, the N.I.C.E. (National Institute of Co-ordinated Experiments), also reveal the psychological justifications and political maneuvering at work within corporate technocracy and state-run social engineering, the overseers of an occupied Christendom. Most importantly, the politics of N.I.C.E. teach us something about the political non-choice facing most Europeans and Americans today, as the progressive element has in large part succeeded in its campaign against nature.
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« Reply #7059 on: November 21, 2017, 07:58:10 AM »

This was an interesting read today, having to do with the collusion because scientism and social engineering which I believe we are up to our necks in:
https://calvinistinternational.com/2013/02/24/the-politics-of-n-i-c-e/


What a crock of shit.