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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7542 on: December 15, 2017, 03:28:35 PM »
Be it noted that Roy Moore himself belongs in that category of "historically bad candidates".
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7543 on: December 15, 2017, 05:40:18 PM »
A very good article about US politics and its incestuous relationship with religion:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/15/trump-and-moore-arent-the-only-ones-to-blame-for-how-some-perceive-evangelicals/?utm_term=.cf374da29eba


Coincidentally, I have been watching The Crown this week. In episode 5 Elizabeth meets Billy Graham twice, being very impressed by his crusade sermons in London. That was way back when religion was about one’s personal rapport with God.

Graham eventually veered toward political activism, praising or condemning candidates based on their position on key « moral » issues. This trend soon got out of control. Political parties and candidates in the US are now held hostages by christian ayatullahs.

The religious cancer has metastasized and is now clearly out of control. Evangelicals endorse and fund morally bankrupt candidates because they conform to a conservative agenda, in total corruption of their religious mission. The WP article points to some soul-searching in their midst. It’s about time.

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« Reply #7544 on: December 15, 2017, 06:31:44 PM »
A very good article about US politics and its incestuous relationship with religion:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/15/trump-and-moore-arent-the-only-ones-to-blame-for-how-some-perceive-evangelicals/?utm_term=.cf374da29eba


Coincidentally, I have been watching The Crown this week. In episode 5 Elizabeth meets Billy Graham twice, being very impressed by his crusade sermons in London. That was way back when religion was about one’s personal rapport with God.

Graham eventually veered toward political activism, praising or condemning candidates based on their position on key « moral » issues. This trend soon got out of control. Political parties and candidates in the US are now held hostages by christian ayatullahs.

The religious cancer has metastasized and is now clearly out of control. Evangelicals endorse and fund morally bankrupt candidates because they conform to a conservative agenda, in total corruption of their religious mission. The WP article points to some soul-searching in their midst. It’s about time.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7546 on: December 16, 2017, 01:54:53 AM »
Evangelicals endorse and fund morally bankrupt candidates because they conform to a conservative agenda, in total corruption of their religious mission. The WP article points to some soul-searching in their midst. It’s about time.
Agreed, many thanks. There was, however, 'something wrong' from the beginning with the American religion that sprung from American soil in the mid 19th century (from the Second Great Awakening and especially triggered by the Great Disappointment of 1844). I think Harold Bloom in The American Religion (1992), correctly identied them (not only the American sects, but Evangelicals including) to have more in common with what he calles Gnosticism than with Christianity. Hence all the elements of extremism, that you won't find with pope Francis.  ;D
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7547 on: December 16, 2017, 02:30:13 AM »
Some good quotes from Christianity Today:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/december-web-only/roy-moore-doug-jones-alabama-editorial.html

"No matter the outcome of today’s special election in Alabama for a coveted US Senate seat, there is already one loser: Christian faith. When it comes to either matters of life and death or personal commitments of the human heart, no one will believe a word we say, perhaps for a generation. Christianity’s integrity is severely tarnished.

The race between Republican candidate Roy Moore and Democratic candidate Doug Jones has only put an exclamation point on a problem that has been festering for a year and a half—ever since a core of strident conservative Christians began to cheer for Donald Trump without qualification and a chorus of other believers decried that support as immoral. The Christian leaders who have excused, ignored, or justified his unscrupulous behavior and his indecent rhetoric have only given credence to their critics who accuse them of hypocrisy. Meanwhile the easy willingness of moderate and progressive Christians to cast aspersions on their conservative brothers and sisters has made many wonder about our claim that Jesus Christ can bring diverse people together as no other can.

 What events of the last year and a half have shown once again is that when Christians immerse themselves in politics as Christians, for what they determine are Christian causes, touting their version of biblical morality in the public square—they will sooner or later (and often sooner) begin to compromise the very principles they champion and do so to such a degree that it blemishes the very faith they are most anxious to promote. And one of the biggest blemishes—for it is an open refutation of Jesus’ prayer that we be one—is when we start divorcing one another over politics. Jesus said it is our unity in him that will, more than anything, help the world see “that you [Father] have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me” (John 17:23). No wonder few believe much of anything we say anymore. "

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7548 on: December 16, 2017, 06:05:45 AM »
Some good quotes from Christianity Today:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/december-web-only/roy-moore-doug-jones-alabama-editorial.html

"No matter the outcome of today’s special election in Alabama for a coveted US Senate seat, there is already one loser: Christian faith. When it comes to either matters of life and death or personal commitments of the human heart, no one will believe a word we say, perhaps for a generation. Christianity’s integrity is severely tarnished.

The race between Republican candidate Roy Moore and Democratic candidate Doug Jones has only put an exclamation point on a problem that has been festering for a year and a half—ever since a core of strident conservative Christians began to cheer for Donald Trump without qualification and a chorus of other believers decried that support as immoral. The Christian leaders who have excused, ignored, or justified his unscrupulous behavior and his indecent rhetoric have only given credence to their critics who accuse them of hypocrisy. Meanwhile the easy willingness of moderate and progressive Christians to cast aspersions on their conservative brothers and sisters has made many wonder about our claim that Jesus Christ can bring diverse people together as no other can.

 What events of the last year and a half have shown once again is that when Christians immerse themselves in politics as Christians, for what they determine are Christian causes, touting their version of biblical morality in the public square—they will sooner or later (and often sooner) begin to compromise the very principles they champion and do so to such a degree that it blemishes the very faith they are most anxious to promote. And one of the biggest blemishes—for it is an open refutation of Jesus’ prayer that we be one—is when we start divorcing one another over politics. Jesus said it is our unity in him that will, more than anything, help the world see “that you [Father] have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me” (John 17:23). No wonder few believe much of anything we say anymore. "

Excellent.
Thank you for posting this timely piece.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7549 on: December 16, 2017, 06:16:27 AM »
Amen to all that.

The most disgusting of the many disgusting Trum pics is this one:



Evangelical leaders laying their hands on the Turd-in-Chief. If only it was made as a gesture of forgiveness toward a sincerely repenting sinner, it would be touching. But, no. Of their own enthusiastic volition, evangelical leaders flocked like so many turd flies to bless Trump and his political agenda.

It will take a lot of disinfectant and scented soap to wash away the stench that now stubbornly sticks to their hands. It will also take a lot of time, some say at least a generation... Moore’s licking is a good start.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7550 on: December 16, 2017, 06:48:38 AM »
The coy percussive sound of “televangelical” lips puckering up to the Buttocks of Power.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7552 on: December 16, 2017, 08:13:55 AM »
Amen to all that.

The most disgusting of the many disgusting Trum pics is this one:



Evangelical leaders laying their hands on the Turd-in-Chief. If only it was made as a gesture of forgiveness toward a sincerely repenting sinner, it would be touching. But, no. Of their own enthusiastic volition, evangelical leaders flocked like so many turd flies to bless Trump and his political agenda.

It will take a lot of disinfectant and scented soap to wash away the stench that now stubbornly sticks to their hands. It will also take a lot of time, some say at least a generation... Moore’s licking is a good start.

I'm sorry but I feel that's very unfair towards turds.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #7553 on: December 16, 2017, 10:41:42 PM »
Where is the like button?

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« Reply #7554 on: December 18, 2017, 03:10:08 AM »
Since nobody else did it, I´ll mention the remarkable news of Trump administration disapproving certain words for use in the administration, and replacing them with others:

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was given a list of seven prohibited words or phrases: “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based” and “science-based.” Officials at a second agency were also told to use “Obamacare” instead of the Affordable Care Act to describe President Barack Obama’s 2010 healthcare law and to use “exchanges” instead of “marketplaces”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-words/trump-administration-bans-selected-words-at-health-agencies-paper-idUSKBN1EB014
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/17/opinions/cdc-banned-words-opinion-fisher/index.html

"Replacing a few malefactors is hardly revolutionary. Transforming American institutions so that they no longer reproduce patriarchy — well, that’s a paradigm shift. Revolution is in the air. Why should the far right have all the fun?"

https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/donald-trump-russia-investigation-progressive-us-politics-19972/
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« Reply #7555 on: December 18, 2017, 06:53:08 AM »
Federal appeals judge announces immediate retirement amid investigation prompted by accusations of sexual misconduct

Sweet, Trump gets to appoint another judge. 

(AmPo categorized this article as "National Security".)
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« Reply #7556 on: December 18, 2017, 08:39:12 AM »
Since nobody else did it, I´ll mention the remarkable news of Trump administration disapproving certain words for use in the administration, and replacing them with others:

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was given a list of seven prohibited words or phrases: “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based” and “science-based.” Officials at a second agency were also told to use “Obamacare” instead of the Affordable Care Act to describe President Barack Obama’s 2010 healthcare law and to use “exchanges” instead of “marketplaces”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-words/trump-administration-bans-selected-words-at-health-agencies-paper-idUSKBN1EB014
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/17/opinions/cdc-banned-words-opinion-fisher/index.html

"Replacing a few malefactors is hardly revolutionary. Transforming American institutions so that they no longer reproduce patriarchy — well, that’s a paradigm shift. Revolution is in the air. Why should the far right have all the fun?"

https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/donald-trump-russia-investigation-progressive-us-politics-19972/

So Trump has read a book. Pity it was "1984."

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« Reply #7557 on: December 18, 2017, 06:20:46 PM »
Senate intel committee investigating Jill Stein campaign for possible collusion with the Russians

"Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) told reporters Monday that the Senate Intelligence Committee has “two other campaigns that we’re just starting on,” in addition to the panel’s ongoing probe of alleged ties between the Trump administration and Kremlin officials.  One of those he identified as Stein’s; Burr has indicated previously that the committee is also looking into reports that the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign paid for research that went into a dossier detailing allegations of Donald Trump’s 2013 exploits in Moscow."

The Collusion Contagion.
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« Reply #7559 on: December 20, 2017, 09:24:16 AM »
‘The voters decided’ is no way to defend [El Tupé] on sexual misconduct allegations


There's no reason to defend him at all.  Trump should not resign over such silliness, as some dim (and/or opportunistic) Dems have called for, and which some conservative-ish allies have glommed onto; Dems can simply add Trump's general naughtiness to their endless list of grievances if and when they take action on impeachment or when they run against him in 2020.  In the meantime, there's a buck to be made by some with their incessant moral preening.  Good on Ms Rubin.  It's unclear if The Reckoning has thirty-six months of staying power, though.
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