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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8940 on: February 17, 2018, 07:26:41 AM »
A crude description, but yes that's basically what happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

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« Reply #8941 on: February 17, 2018, 08:11:16 AM »
Is it payback time for the US (cough) helping Yeltsin get elected?


The United States is the only country with the legitimate authority to pursue regime change as an official policy. 


A crude description, but yes that's basically what happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house


Yes, indeed, American democracy is so fragile that some Russian bots 'n' trolls can determine the outcome of a general election.  If strong steps are not taken, and taken right now, and at the federal level, then the very legitimacy of elections this year and in 2020 and later is at stake.  The republic itself is on the precipice of dissolution and chaos. 
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8942 on: February 17, 2018, 09:09:24 AM »
Sure, the all-powerful Russkies secretly injected brain worms into American voters through computer screens causing them to reject Hillary whom their hearts really longed for.

The indictment says nothing about whether the results of the election were changed.  It is likely that the effects are too difficult to gauge, even though we can ascertain the causes.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8943 on: February 17, 2018, 09:15:14 AM »
The sarcastic caricature does not rise to the level of refutation, of course.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8944 on: February 17, 2018, 09:28:47 AM »

The United States is the only country with the legitimate authority to pursue regime change as an official policy. 


If it was anyone else but you, I'd think you were taking the piss.

Perhaps the US deserves to go down the pan.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/17/putins-chef-a-troll-farm-and-russias-plot-to-hijack-us-democracy         

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8945 on: February 17, 2018, 09:41:10 AM »
  It has probably been mentioned before, but the material is estimated to have reached 126 million users according to FB, and 228 million Twitter users, and it´s 2/3 of the American population who are getting at least some of their news via social media. The share is increasing.

But surely Trump got the clear majority of votes , er, the majority of votes, er, the votes that really mattered.

But surely the whole technique of personal attacks or seggregating used by those sources, including a race to the bottom, was of course otherwise absent or ineffective, er, largely absent, er, only somewhat present, er, generally there in the political debates leading to the election of #45.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8946 on: February 17, 2018, 11:52:12 AM »
The indictment says nothing about whether the results of the election were changed.  It is likely that the effects are too difficult to gauge, even though we can ascertain the causes.

Yes, it is unlikely we will ever know the effects definitively. The recent reports do, however, demonstrate that the Russians on the ground here knew where critical swing districts were thought to be and that they concentrated their efforts in some of them. This knowledge was assumed by many to be arcane and unavailable to the miscreants. That they had it and acted on it makes the possibility that the election was critically effected by the Russian effort more plausible.

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« Reply #8947 on: February 17, 2018, 11:54:04 AM »
Yes, it is unlikely we will ever know the effects definitively. The recent reports do, however, demonstrate that the Russians on the ground here knew where critical swing districts were thought to be and that they concentrated their efforts in some of them. This knowledge was assumed by many to be arcane and unavailable to the miscreants. That they had it and acted on it makes the possibility that the election was critically effected by the Russian effort more plausible.

Of course, I agree entirely.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8949 on: February 17, 2018, 01:00:59 PM »

The United States is the only country with the legitimate authority to pursue regime change as an official policy. 

Yes, indeed, American democracy is so fragile that some Russian bots 'n' trolls can determine the outcome of a general election.  If strong steps are not taken, and taken right now, and at the federal level, then the very legitimacy of elections this year and in 2020 and later is at stake.  The republic itself is on the precipice of dissolution and chaos.
The U.S. is so bad; give Russia and China a chance. Russian scams are nothing to worry about and probably justified anyway. The legitimacy of elections is not an important question, certainly not anything to address in the near future. It's not the government's job to protect the sanctity of American elections. The KGB is not so bad compared to their counterparts anywhere else anyway.   :o 

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8950 on: February 18, 2018, 12:30:01 AM »
The U.S. is so bad; give Russia and China a chance. Russian scams are nothing to worry about and probably justified anyway. The legitimacy of elections is not an important question, certainly not anything to address in the near future. It's not the government's job to protect the sanctity of American elections. The KGB is not so bad compared to their counterparts anywhere else anyway.   :o

I do hope this is pure sarcasm.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8951 on: February 18, 2018, 04:04:08 AM »
I do hope this is pure sarcasm.
Yes it was :) You know, I have friends on the far left who meet up with Trum in this way. This is should maybe be called the bridge of Assange! Sounds like a WW2 movie!
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8953 on: February 19, 2018, 08:06:30 AM »
[El Tupé] lashes out over Russia probe in angry and error-laden tweetstorm

And:

Top U.S. officials tell the world to ignore [El Tupé’s] tweets

“It isn’t as if he were an adult,” they observed.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8955 on: February 20, 2018, 06:19:26 AM »
Finally! Seems like some (more) of the criminal element is about to be flushed out of Trump's White House:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/john-kelly-rob-porter-clearance.html

If the new protocol is followed, Jared Kushner and Ivanka should be out within the week. Will this stop Jared from attempting to trade access and influence to foreign interests for loans to prop up his soon-to-be-bankrupt family? And about 130 more of the "best people," who, alas, can't seem to get security clearances, should be following them shortly thereafter. Meanwhile, Junior is in Mumbai launching the latest Trump Organization money laundromat. 
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #8958 on: February 20, 2018, 07:39:02 AM »
It was a new low, hiding behind the bodies of dead children and teachers to shield himself from accountability.

Aside from the blizzard of lies, one is struck by how frantic [El Tupé] sounds. The number and looniness of the tweets arguably exceed anything he has previously done. His conduct reaffirms the basic outline of an obstruction charge: Desperate to disable a Russia probe that would be personally embarrassing to him, he has tried in many ways to interfere with and end the investigation. In doing so, he, at the very least, has abused his office. In turning on his inquisitors rather than to the job of protecting America from Russian influence, he confirms his peculiar fidelity to Vladimir Putin and reminds us he continues to violate his oath of office. There is no doubt he has, based on what we already known, committed actions constituting an abuse of his office.

Of course, no Tupero here minds at all, at all, how the President neglects or violates his oath of office.
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« Reply #8959 on: February 20, 2018, 08:00:54 AM »
Aside from the blizzard of lies, one is struck by how frantic [El Tupé] sounds. The number and looniness of the tweets arguably exceed anything he has previously done. His conduct reaffirms the basic outline of an obstruction charge: Desperate to disable a Russia probe that would be personally embarrassing to him, he has tried in many ways to interfere with and end the investigation. In doing so, he, at the very least, has abused his office. In turning on his inquisitors rather than to the job of protecting America from Russian influence, he confirms his peculiar fidelity to Vladimir Putin and reminds us he continues to violate his oath of office. There is no doubt he has, based on what we already known, committed actions constituting an abuse of his office.

Of course, no Tupero here minds at all, at all, how the President neglects or violates his oath of office.

I think he was just mad because his minders wouldn't let him play golf. ;)